A. Smith Posted December 1, 2010 Share Posted December 1, 2010 I can't figure out how to construct a search to find third declension nouns/adjectives. I think something like *@ [ADJECTIVE] <OR> [NOUN] <AND> but then i get stuck. How do I look for words ending in a consonant? I think I've seen something like this before but can't remember it. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Decker Posted December 2, 2010 Share Posted December 2, 2010 I can't figure out how to construct a search to find third declension nouns/adjectives. I think something like *@ [ADJECTIVE] <OR> [NOUN] <AND> but then i get stuck. How do I look for words ending in a consonant? I think I've seen something like this before but can't remember it. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Third declension would be challenge due to the wide diversity of endings. In principle, here's one way to do it for 2d declen nouns: [noun]@*ος Then use the Analysis window to see a list of the words. (See below for results from this search.) If you checked a morphology text (e.g., Mounce's MBG) and compiled a list of all possible 3d declen endings, you could eventually get the same info. (But then if you check MBG, you'd already have such a list and not need to do the search!) For 2d declen, here's what you'd get, truncated to show only those occuring 100 x or more in the NT: Total number of clauses = 7300 (total number of verses displayed = 6263) [noun]@*ος (10077 total words) Number of different forms = 585: θεός god, God = 1317 κύριος_2 (κύριος) (n) lord, master, the Lord = 717 ἄνθρωπος man, human = 550 Χριστός (χρίω) Christ = 529 υἱός son = 377 ἀδελφός brother; (adj) brotherly, twin = 343 λόγος (λέγω) word, speech, message; book, volume = 330 οὐρανός heaven = 273 νόμος law, principle = 194 κόσμος world, mankind, earth; adornment, decoration = 186 ἄγγελος messenger, angel = 175 ὄχλος crowd; army; people = 175 ἔθνος nation, people, Gentile = 162 Παῦλος Paul; Paulus = 158 Πέτρος (πέτρα) Peter = 156 λαός people = 142 δοῦλος slave; slavish, servile = 124 θάνατος (θνῄσκω) death = 120 οἶκος house = 114 ὁδός road, way = 101 ὀφθαλμός (ὁράω) eye = 100 ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. Smith Posted December 3, 2010 Author Share Posted December 3, 2010 Thanks Dr Decker. This is about what I expected. I know MBG would gave the answer, but I was really looking to see if such a search was possible. Thanks for your input. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruben Gomez Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 Another approach would be using root searching. Thus, [noun]@+*ξ, [noun]@+*ρ, etc. would return nouns with roots ending in ξ, ρ, and so on. And you can use the <OR> command to join as many different root endings as you like (e.g., [noun]@+*ξ <OR> [noun]@+*ρ). Hope this helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. Smith Posted December 3, 2010 Author Share Posted December 3, 2010 (edited) Another approach would be using root searching. Thus, [noun]@+*ξ, [noun]@+*ρ, etc. would return nouns with roots ending in ξ, ρ, and so on. And you can use the <OR> command to join as many different root endings as you like (e.g., [noun]@+*ξ <OR> [noun]@+*ρ). Hope this helps. Ruben, Thank you so much. This is exactly what I was looking for. I did not know that +*κ etc would find roots ending in the given letter. I knew about the ? For a character wild card and that * was a general wild card, but did not think that attaching a letter to the end would find such roots. Thanks again. OH! Looking again, this is exactly what Rod said too, (re * plus a letter) but I missed it! Much thanks to both of you! Edited December 3, 2010 by A. Smith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarinL Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 It would be really great if there were a direct way to limit searches by declension. This would be very helpful for Greek teachers who are looking for specific examples. The closest I've come so far is to use a Greek Construct search, adding the following to the first column: COUNT 50–10000 (to get only common words, since my purpose is to find examples for beginning students), NOUN -proper (to eliminate common words that often don't inflect fully) LEX =*ος, *ός, *ον, *α, *η, *ης, κύριος_2 Then I drag the NOT over the LEX element. The *ος, *ός, and *ον are intended to eliminate 2nd declension The *α is intended to eliminate many 1st declension, but also eliminates all the -μα 3rd declensions The *η and *ης eliminate most of the rest of the 1st declension κύριος_2 eliminates this one anomaly. I'm sure I've missed a lot, but perhaps this is the beginning of a reasonable work-around?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Simpson Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 (edited) Just a couple of off-the-cuff suggestions...[COUNT 50+] rather than the more clumsy and arbitrary [COUNT 50-10000] though of course that does workAnd if you removed the *a one and replaced it with *?(zstxeir)a should return your ma nouns but remove most of the 1st declension pure and doubled stem nouns.Will give it a little more thought.Thanks for the challenge though! When I did this, I turned off exact lexeme (that dealt with the accenting issues) and included my wildcard string. This then gave me this list αἷμα blood; bloodshed = 97 αἰών age, eternity = 122 ἀνήρ man, husband = 216 ἀρχιερεύς (ἄρχω, ἱερός) high priest; pontifex = 122 βασιλεύς king = 115 γραμματεύς (γράφω) scribe = 63 δύναμις (δύναμαι) power, strength, capability; authority; (military) force = 119 ἐλπίς hope = 53 θέλημα (θέλω) will, desire = 62 μήτηρ mother = 83 νύξ night = 61 ὄνομα name = 230 πατήρ father, Father = 413 πίστις (πείθω) faith, belief, trust; value; proof = 243 πνεῦμα (πνέω) wind; breath; spirit, Spirit = 379 πόλις city, town; city-state = 162 πούς foot = 93 πῦρ fire = 71 ῥῆμα word, thing = 68 σάρξ flesh, meat, body, sinful nature = 147 στόμα mouth = 78 σῶμα body; slave = 142 ὕδωρ water = 76 φῶς (φαίνω) light = 73 χάρις grace, favor; gratitude; gift = 155 χείρ hand = 177 Seems to be ok to me :-) ADDIT: One more note on this, when I did the "less than 50" nouns, I saw a number of really significant nouns you may wish to include. They would all be caught by using a 20+ count search. the 20-50 nouns are κρίσις (κρίνω) judgment, decision, legal case; meaning = 47 θλῖψις (θλίβω) trouble, tribulation, oppression = 45 σπέρμα (σπείρω) seed, offspring = 43 ἀνάστασις (ἀνά, ἵστημι) standing up, rising, insurrection, resurrection = 42 ἄρχων (ἄρχω) ruler = 37 οὖς ear = 36 μάρτυς witness; martyr = 35 ἱερεύς (ἱερός) priest = 31 συνείδησις (σύν, εἶδος) conscience = 30 γνῶσις (γινώσκω) knowledge = 29 παράκλησις (παρά, καλέω) encouragement = 29 πάσχα (πάσχω) passover; passover lamb = 29 θυγάτηρ daughter = 28 κρίμα (κρίνω) judgment, decree, decision = 27 ἀστήρ star = 24 νοῦς mind, thought = 24 παῖς child; slave = 24 σωτήρ (σῴζω) savior, Savior = 24 ἀμπελών (ἄμπελος) vineyard = 23 εἰκών image = 23 χιλιάς (χίλιοι) group of a thousand = 23 γονεύς (γίνομαι) parent = 20 ἐπίγνωσις (ἐπί, γινώσκω) knowledge = 20 ἡγεμών (ἄγω) governor, leader, chief = 20 ἰχθύς fish = 20 That also gives you a bigger list to play with. The previous list felt a bit small to be terribly useful (to me). This has been fun thinking through. Thanks for the good question! Edited July 11, 2016 by Ken Simpson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c. stirling bartholomew Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 The obvious solution is tagging the texts for declension. I am still using the Gramcord GNT and LXX so I don't know what tags are currently available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Λύχνις Δαν Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 I had a similar thought the other day. That not being present I wondered how far one could get without it ... There are two sources of declensional information for Greek in Accordance that I know of - LEH and MBG. Neither is easy to join to the text in a bulk query. I believe that you could extract a list of nouns of the right declension from LEH and then you could set up a text tab selecting those words. It would require extracting the LEH declension data and processing it with a script to produce a query but it could be done, though the list of words would be long. You could then [LINK ..] or xxxx@[HITS ...] to combine that data into other queries. MBG is much harder to use like this because it would require a lot more processing to get it to the point where you could create the list of words. But it would fit the probably GNT better. Perhaps a quick check of words unique to GNT vocabulary not present in LEH would give you an idea as to how worthwhile that exercise would be. This is speculative and perhaps some issues would arise which would render it unworkable, like having thousands of words in a query list. For whatever it might be worth.... Thx D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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