Vandymarc Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 I was wondering if anyone had information on footnotes or direct bibliography referencing from our texts? Can we quick and conveniently get a bibliography, or a footnote w/pg. #, to include into any essay or writings from our study of the texts? Or, do we have to do it the old fashion way and pound them out? Being in school, us students seem to spend lengthy time quoting text and recording things via footnotes and bibliography. Taking some text from the Bible Knowledge Commentary I wasn't sure if there was a quick way to footnote this material to pages in turban style or not? I did not see anywhere where we could reference specific page numbers as well? This tool would be a huge help in writing essays and papers for the theologian or student if it is not available already. Thanks for your replies, I am anxious to here them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Terry Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Yes, sure is! Select the text and copy as a Citation from the edit menu or the popup context menu. When you paste it in a document, it will contain the bibliographic info also. You can also set some options in the Citations section of the Preferences. Also, you can do searches by page numbers in the resources that contain them. The dropdown menu at the top by the search box will allow selection of various types of searches: Articles, Scripture, Page Numbers, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandymarc Posted February 23, 2012 Author Share Posted February 23, 2012 Much thanks, I was seemingly searching for hours... I will check this out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Bennett Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Note that this is designed to work only with Tools (i.e. books, commentaries, lexicons), not Texts since texts are typically cited only by their reference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandymarc Posted February 23, 2012 Author Share Posted February 23, 2012 So, I copied as citation, pasted to pages (that would be my problem?), no bibli footnote showed. Looked in search for page numbers but no such thing I could find. Do digital commentaries even have page numbers for reference? Looked at my citation settings and bibliography settings and they look ok to me. I would hate to have to type Bibliographies for every text in Accordance I quote from or use. This would be counterintuitive to the whole idea. Maybe this citation option does not work with "The Bible Knowledge Commentary". Anyhow, anyone with pages/Accordance settings ideas for bibliography/citation transfer will help. FYI to accordance team. If I'm wrong just haven't figured it out yet please excuse these next remarks... An option for bibliography citations in different formats (APA, Turabian, etc...) by "about this text" menu option would be ideal for students and theologians writing works or papers. I know there are options for citation and bibliography settings in preferences, I'm just not sure how they work yet, Hopefully they negate the above mentioned concerns and work just well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Bennett Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Our citation feature doesn't *quite* work with Pages. Joe Weaks has written an AppleScript that works around Pages' lack of support, but you need to be savvy enough to set it up on your own. If you have a specific question, I'm sure Joe wouldn't mind chiming in here on the forum. Otherwise the feature works with every other word processor that supports footnotes (Word, Mellel, Nisus, Mariner, NeoOffice). If you go to your Bibliography prefs you can set which format you want, and whether it is for a footnote or bibliography. We support SBL and Turabian since these are the two most popular for Biblical studies. For a more detailed run-down see this blog post (written for 8.4, but the feature still works the same). HTH… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Bennett Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Also, here's a shot with a citation from the Bible Knowledge Commentary. Note that this particular module does not have page numbers, but most of our popular commentaries do have them (many of which we added on our own to support this feature). It is acceptable to cite 'n.p.' in an electronic version, but a professor may not particularly like it since they would not be able to verify it easily. We have never received a request to add them for this commentary, but certainly could do so in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandymarc Posted February 23, 2012 Author Share Posted February 23, 2012 Thank you for the clarification... I will mess with it, seems like the user can't mess it up to bad ... I am happy to hear that with most commentaries you do have page numbers. If the profs don't like not having any, well, what do you do, eh? I will try with word, then open with pages to see if it works that way. Otherwise I will heed Joe's mind on the issue as well as the other advice given. Thanks again to all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandymarc Posted February 24, 2012 Author Share Posted February 24, 2012 Worked fine with Word, awesome. Just copied and pasted to pages. I still think I will try to mess with Joe's works since I know all works well through "Word". Thanks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandymarc Posted February 24, 2012 Author Share Posted February 24, 2012 OK, little sticky in the scripts realm... I don't see where you get the script from in order to change it...Gotta dig some more I guess... Sorry for not be savvy to this, never worked with scripts before...Will check blog post as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anon Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Vandymarc, If you need assistance with the AppleScript, I am available to help with you this. Joe's script functions to automate the task, much like you've witnessed in the Accordance/Word symbiosis. Scripts, as you've come to learn, can be cumbersome to understand if you've not worked on them before. There is one caveat to Joe's post that I would make (and that might be influential in your using the script). Joe mentions that the script cannot be ascribed a keyboard short cut. While this is partially correct, it's not the complete reality (although I suspect it's due to the dated nature of Joe's post). If you would like we can Skype or iChat, and I can see you through the steps in setting up this script. If not, here is a quick run down. (Message me your Skype or iChat/Messages contact info if you would like assistance with the below) • Download the script from Joe's site. It will probably download as a .zip file. • Unzip the file by double clicking on it • Open the script folder. • Inside the script folder you will see four files. • The two files with file extensions of .workflow and .scpt are the actual code to facilitate the footnote. (at this point, you need to make a decision on which to use. Automator is an Mac OS X internal tool that automates specific actions. It's actually one of the most useful OS X native apps, if you don't know AppleScript language. If you have an application like Keyboard Maestro or QuicKeys [option A below], you will probably want to use the .scpt file. If you don't, then use the .workflow file.[option B below]). Option A: • Move the file to your documents folder. I would create a folder entitled scripts or automation or the sorts—whatever your preferences. Then open QuicKeys or Keyboard Maestro to access the script. Then ascribe it a keyboard shortcut. Your done. When you want to automation to run, key in your shortcut and the Keyboard Maestro engine will facilitate the script. Option B: • Click on the .workflow file. • Automater will launch. • Once Automater is launched, click on the "hammer" icon. This passes the purple text (i.e., the code) through the AppleScript compiler. If any errors occur, you will be notified. If no errors occur, the text will change colors and it's ready. Save the workflow. • Then move to your System Preferences. • Click on Keyboard. • Click on Keyboard Shortcuts. • In the left hand column, click on Services. • Scroll down to "General" • Locate the file name that gave Joe's script. • On the far right, you should see a greyed out "none" click there to ascribe a keyboard short cut. (It will also be accessible through the services menu item. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandymarc Posted February 24, 2012 Author Share Posted February 24, 2012 Thanks James. I will see what I can do with your information sometime Friday afternoon. If I have problems with your information I will contact you as you stated. Thanks so much for the information.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Mansfield Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 If the profs don't like not having any, well, what do you do, eh? What I did in the past was to track down a physical copy and add a page number to appease profs who might not equate etexts as having the same authority as print texts. Fortunately, Accordance has gradually added more and more page numbers to their titles. As an aside, the Kindle has an interesting solution with location numbers. I've never actually offered a location number in an academic paper, but realistically, it's more precise than a page number. Of course, Amazon has now been adding page numbers to most of their titles so that those using print editions and Kindle editions can literally "be on the same page," but I think I actually like the idea of the location number better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Bennett Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 We have our 'paragraph number' which is also more precise than a page number. We could include that in the place of 'n.p.' but I opted to keep it as is because it seemed more 'standard.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anon Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Of course, Amazon has now been adding page numbers to most of their titles so that those using print editions and Kindle editions can literally "be on the same page," but I think I actually like the idea of the location number better. I agree. I think in the future with the proliferation of e-readers, it would be nice to hyperlink the source directly to your file. This way the reader of the paper can click on the hyperlink and automatically be navigated to the position within the book, and have the previous page and latter page as a free preview. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandymarc Posted February 24, 2012 Author Share Posted February 24, 2012 This would mean they would have to be using the same software, no? My prof's can mark me up for no page number if they so choose. Looking it up in the hard copy would be counterintuitive for me, (balancing family/work/school, etc...). This is one reason why Accordance is on my computer right now. In depth search and old text study will be later... (important statement there for you Accordance developers ) I fancy a fast sufficient search engine and library; when I get more time the in depth study prowess will come. You guys hooked me on what you had to offer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anon Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 This would mean they would have to be using the same software, no? … I should've been more precise, my apologies. I was thinking in terms of the ubiquitous PDF file. Most of the e-readers are now fully supporting PDF. I don't have a Kindle, but I use the Kindle app on my iOS devices. A hyperlink system to the online Kindle version or Google Books is what I was thinking of more so than a direct link into Accordance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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