markusvonkaenel Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 I'm interested to buy apokrypha. I see 3 possibilities 1) New American Bible, Revised Edition 2) New Revised Standard Version with Apocrypha 3) Pseudepigrapha (New English) Which of the above possibilities gives me the most complete set? PS. I do not understand Greek, so an English Version is sufficient. I would prefer a German Version, but I have the impression, they are not as complete as the above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen Brown Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 You almost certainly have the KJVA whoch is the King James Apocrypha. The Pseudepgrapha are other texts. Several of the German Bibles include the Apocrypha. Luther does for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markusvonkaenel Posted November 11, 2012 Author Share Posted November 11, 2012 (edited) I'm also looking for Henoch, Ben Sira, 3/4 Maccabees. KJV-A has them not. Edited November 11, 2012 by markusvonkaenel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anon Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 (edited) Yes, the KJVA will not contain those items. Accordance doesn't have direct control over what contents are in which module. The process is to select a print volume, then reduplicate that print volume in digital format—adding the various accouterments as we can. Thus, in your case, Henoch (1Enoch) a Jewish Apocalyptic work has been traditionally identified as pseudepigrapha. You can find this text in Pseud-T/E. **EDIT: In case you are unsure of the *-T/E nomenclature, any module that ends with -T indicates that it's as morphologically tagged text. As an accompaniment the -E is an English translation of said tagged text.** As for Ben Sira and 3/4 Maccabees, you can find those in NRSV. Edited November 11, 2012 by James Tucker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markusvonkaenel Posted November 11, 2012 Author Share Posted November 11, 2012 I would like to go for the NRSV. Is this a downloadable product? I see only the CD unlock method in the chart. I do not own the disc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Francis Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 NSRV and Common English Bible are the only Bibles i am aware of that will have 3/4 Maccabees. I do believe the RSV should also have them but I do not own that accordance module so I cannot confirm it. Accordance unfortunately most of the time does not offer the Apocrypha when it is an option in a translation (notable missing ones are the recently released ERV, as well as TEV, God's Word, NET Bible, WEB ). -Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen Brown Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Everything is downloadable except for a very few items that say On disk only at the top of the page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael J. Bolesta Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 (edited) ... Accordance unfortunately most of the time does not offer the Apocrypha when it is an option in a translation (notable missing ones are the recently released ERV, as well as ... NET Bible,... ). -Dan Dan, The apocrypha is a separate module from NET, i.e. the NETS (A New English Translation of the Septuagint). NB: As Sean R points out, the translation teams for NET and NETS are different, the latter comprised of Septuagint scholars. Edited November 12, 2012 by Michael J. Bolesta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean R. Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Actually, NET (New English Translation) and NETS (New English Translation of the Septuagint) are in no way related (other than both being translations of Scripture)—they are provided by separate, unrelated organizations. NET is an English translation of the 66 books of the Bible (some work has been done on some of the apocryphal books, but they aren't in any of the print editions of NET nor in the Accordance edition). NETS is an English translation of the ancient Greek translation of the Hebrew Scriptures and includes what are popularly termed apocryphal books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael J. Bolesta Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 (edited) True; I did not intend to indicate that they were the same. As the full title indicates, NETS is "A New English Translation of the Septuagint." NET on the other hand is based on the 39 books of the Hebrew/Aramaic OT and the 27 books of the NT. The desire was for Sirach, 3 & 4 Macchabees, which are in the Septuagint. Of the requests texts, NETS lacks only Enoch (which is in the Pseudepigrapha Accordance module). Of course, NETS would also include the 39 OT books in NET, but in translation from the Greek LXX, not the Hebrew/Aramaic OT. Of the the remaining books in NETS (LXX), some would be termed apocrypha by some, deuterocanonical by others. Edited November 12, 2012 by Michael J. Bolesta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markusvonkaenel Posted November 12, 2012 Author Share Posted November 12, 2012 Thanks for all the information. Can someone confirm, I didn't find it, that the NRSV of accordance has this books: Tobit Judith Additions to Esther Wisdom Ben Sira Baruch Letter of Jeremiah Prayer of Azariah Susanna Bel 1 Maccabees 2 Maccabees 1 Esdras Prayer of Manasses Additions to Psalms 3 Maccabees 2 Esdra Seems to be quite complicated, at last they are available in English, in German, it's seems to be impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Francis Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 I can confirm all those are in Accordance… also there is 4 Maccabees… and it is not just the additions to Esther by a complete translation of the greek version of Esther. -Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markusvonkaenel Posted November 14, 2012 Author Share Posted November 14, 2012 Thanks for all the help. Got all I wanted with NRSV. BTW: Why is this not described on the product page? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Francis Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Perhaps it is just believed to be common knowledge. I mean NRSV is so widely used even though there are many slight variations… (Typical protestant version, catholic editions with only the standard catholic books, and the ecumenical version containing all books, with introduction explaining various canons of protestant catholic and orthodox bodies). The NRSV provides all books considered scriptural by the majority of the above mentioned groups (obviously modern groups like mormons, consider other books scripture and the Ethoptic orthodox also contains 1 Enoch scripture, indeed if memory serves they are the reason we have it at all since so much of it had been lost in the wider church). -Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabian Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Please add the Apocrypha to the Luther 1912 too. Greetings Fabian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabian Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 and the Zürcher 2008 Bible has recently added the Apocrypha too. Greetings Fabian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabian Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 English: 5Macc from http://www.earlyjewishwritings.com/5maccabees.html " This work is not included in Charlesworth's The Old Testament Pseudepigrapha." German public domain. https://de.wikisource.org/wiki/Altjüdisches_Schrifttum_außerhalb_der_Bibel Greetings Fabian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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