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#1 bcyc511

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 01:12 PM

Greetings! What command line shall I input if I want to search the following periphrastic construction?

[imperfect eimi] + [present participle] within 1 verse in the Gospel of Mark

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 05:04 PM

Hi Bryan,

ειμι@ [VERB imperfect] [VERB present participle]

will give you what you're asking. This construction will give you the results where the two verbs are adjacent. The "within one verse" is assumed unless you have specifically changed it. Periphrastics don't have intervening words (or at least not as far as I know) so we don't need to cover the instances where there may be other parts of speech between the tow parts of the periphrastic verb,

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 05:25 PM

Hi Bryan,

ειμι@ [VERB imperfect] [VERB present participle]
Periphrastics don't have intervening words (or at least not as far as I know) so we don't need to cover the instances where there may be other parts of speech between the tow parts of the periphrastic verb,

Hope this helps


Depends on how you define periphrastic, I suppose. See Mark 14:54.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 05:29 PM

Dear Ken,
Thanks so much! I got it.
Blessings,
Bryan

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 05:33 PM

Dear Tucker,
Yes, please also see Mk 5:5. There is also a periphrastic construction in 5:11 but it is not shown in the search results.
Then, what extra components should be added to the command line?
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Posted 13 September 2012 - 06:16 PM

Bryan:

The nature of your question relates primarily to a relationship of words (or phrases or clauses). The best way to research your question is by means of the Syntax Add-ons. Do you have these installed?

By the way, I see that you live in Vancouver, BC. Are you aware of the training seminar Oct.19th at TWU?

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 12:30 AM

Dear James,
Thanks very much for your help.
Yes, I received Accordance's newsletter that a seminar will be held in Vancouver. I think I will attend to use Accordance better.
I do not have the syntax add-ons. Are they available to ipad users?
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Posted 14 September 2012 - 02:20 AM

Hi,
yes you can do a syntax search on the ipad.
Try this

ειμι@ [VERB imperfect] <AND> [VERB present participle]
then [OPTIONS] (the far right hand button under the cancel button when you have selected search
you will get a pane, the top option of which is "Select within every" with a drop down menu to the right, which by default has "verse", tap on this and the drop down list will allow to to select "Clause" and the then rerun the search.

You may then get some false positives, and you may wish to disallow other verbs or particles between them (for example) Matt 9:36 has a perfect periphrastic - that the search doesn't completely select because it isn't what we were looking for, but sees that a later appropriate participle is in the same clause, (but in this case does not have a close syntactical relationship). By disallowing a particle we will remove this false positive.

However, we would have to use a construct search in the desktop version of Accordance to specify to exclude terms like particles or other verbs. I don't think you can do it in the iOS version, but others might be cleverer than me in iOS.

My original search will look for the term when they are adjacent to each other and have no other intervening words. The second search looks for the indicative and the participle anywhere within the chosen scope.

Hope that is of help

(yes James it does depend on how you define periphrasis, but classically (meant in a non-technical way here) will do me :P )

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 12:10 PM

Thanks very much Ken for your detailed guidance.
Since I am a PC user, I have to wait for the release of Accordance for Window.
Blessings,
Bryan

Edited by bcyc511, 14 September 2012 - 12:12 PM.





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