Gedalya Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 How would I search for all examples of any two hebrew words appearing together from the same root. For example, דָּרֹ֥שׁ דָּרַ֛שׁ גֻנֹּ֣ב גֻּנַּ֔בְתִּי Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian K. Mitchell Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 (edited) I'd try the following: You can also limit the search to case where word repeat in same form (104 hits): And, you can find the only place in the Tanach where a word of the same root in the same inflected form repeats three times: Note, none of the searches are prefect (but, that's my fault not accordance) however, these will give you some idea of what Accordance can do and does very well! Edited March 14, 2014 by bkMitchell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Brown Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Why not simply use a LEX * element, instead of the NOUN VERB PRONOUN list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Simpson Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 (edited) So, here is how I tried this one. First I entered the "root" option, and excluded the ננ roots as it's not a real root - in retrospect I probably should have also added לל as an exclusion...so I added that The add the agree (in root form) and the Within 2 words, as I thought there might be some repeated roots I would want to see that might have an inseparable preposition intervening. (e.g. Gen 1:6) מַ֖יִם לָמָֽיִם So I then added an "INTER" item with the prepositions included (i.e. there can be a word intervening, but it must be a preposition if there is). I found some results where the second word was a particle, so I added the negating term for the particle in the second column. (Could also go in the first - and may be more thorough to do so) Do the search (make sure I had the scope set to "exclude bracketed words) so I did not find the qere/ketiv doubles. And got my results. :-) Edited March 14, 2014 by Ken Simpson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gedalya Posted March 14, 2014 Author Share Posted March 14, 2014 Joel, Can you please be more specific with the details as to how to do that search that you suggest? Thanks to Ken and Silver for their details I should have mentioned also that I am interested in verbs only and not nouns (eg מים מים) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Simpson Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 (edited) OK, then you just add the VERB condition to each column. Which means you can remove the particle condition. The LEX search doesn't shouldn't change anything here. Searching by a root (verb) that agrees with a root (verb) is the same as searching for any lex form that agrees in root with any LEX form Interestingly they are slightly different. Have to see if I can work out why now... Addit: A little later... I worked out it was because I forgot to exclude the bracketed words from both searches. Having done that, they both arrive at 544 hits. Edited March 14, 2014 by Ken Simpson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen Brown Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 I demo this search all the time. Usually I specify a noun and a verb in any direction, that agree in root. It's so simple. Usually there's no need for pronouns. However, if you also want to pick up repeated uses of the same part of speech you can use the LEX* as Joel suggested: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gedalya Posted March 14, 2014 Author Share Posted March 14, 2014 Thanks to all for your help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gedalya Posted March 14, 2014 Author Share Posted March 14, 2014 When I open the new construct page from my main bible HMT W4 (File, new construct, hebrew) I see on the bottom left "this construct is linked with HMT-w4". I do not see "HEBREW SYNTAX" on the bottom left.. How do I get "HEBREW SYNTAX" to show up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Simpson Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Hi gorab, the syntax is an add-on for purchase. You'll find it here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gedalya Posted March 14, 2014 Author Share Posted March 14, 2014 Ken, So I need to purchase the syntax add on module to do the construct search? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Simpson Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 No, everything we did can be done without the syntax modules. More advanced syntactical searches using functional relationships need the syntactic databases installed that come with the Hebrew.syntax module. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gedalya Posted March 14, 2014 Author Share Posted March 14, 2014 Ken, OK I see. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gedalya Posted March 14, 2014 Author Share Posted March 14, 2014 (edited) Ok...so I tried the search that Helen recommended. the program indicated that it was searching... but the search never finished and just continued spinning... I'm using windows 7 Edited March 14, 2014 by gorab1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Simpson Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 (edited) Hmm..just tried mine on W8.1 with 10.4.0 it all worked fine... restart Accordance and try again. Otherwise I will have to ask you to contact Tech about it I think - unless Helen or Joel have a quick fix in mind Edited March 14, 2014 by Ken Simpson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen Brown Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Gorab1, I wish you would use your real name (I can change it for you). Please show me your search on Skype. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian K. Mitchell Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Ok...so I tried the search that Helen recommended. the program indicated that it was searching... but the search never finished and just continued spinning... I'm using windows 7 I am also using Windows 7 and: the first search that Helen posted takes less than a sec the second search she posted takes a a minute or two for my computer to run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian K. Mitchell Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Thank you Gorab1 for your questions I find your recent thread/post to very interesting and helpful;. In future, however, you may want to start new post in the Original Languages discussion section of the forums: http://www.accordancebible.com/forums/index.php?showforum=5 . That will help others who may have the same questions find the answers and discussion easier. Thank Mr. Joel Brown, Mr. Ken Simpson, and Mrs. Helen Brown for chiming in on this thread! This discussion has been very enlighting and enjoyable!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Simpson Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Thank you for your very thankful comments, and your contributions Mr Brian Mitchell! Now to find a way to come to Japan to meet you? (Yeah, yeah I know - just jump on a plane Ken!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian K. Mitchell Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Now to find a way to come to Japan to meet you? I'll be waiting and looking forward to that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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