R. Mansfield Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 I know that I should know the answer to this question, but I cannot remember (and I couldn't find a recent discussion here on the forums although I'm certain they exist). I've been using Migration Assistant to move my stuff to a new Mac since 2005, but I just purchased a new MacBook Air, and with the smaller hard drive size (256 GB), I'm selectively moving files and reinstalling software the old fashioned, manual way. So, with v. 9 of Accordance, is it best to just download the installer and redownload all my files? Or will that leave out modules that I bought way back when that are no longer available (such as the original NLT)? I know I need to copy the Accordance folder in my documents folder and the preferences file in my user library. What about the rest though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Knapp Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Rick, Downloading the installer and using Easy Install will leave behind any modules that are not available via Easy Install (which would be older modules or modules only available on CD or DVD). In addition to the user folders you mentioned and the application itself, you must move over the main Accordance folder that lives either in /Library Application Support or your user Library/Application Support folder. (It should not be in both places.) You must move that Accordance folder over to the same location on your new machine. And make sure you have read/write permission on the moved Accordance folder and it's contents. Scott. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Mansfield Posted August 12, 2011 Author Share Posted August 12, 2011 Thanks, Scott. I know this procedure has been discussed before. I wonder if that's something that shouldn't be pinned here in the forums? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Weaks Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 It's funny you posted this, cause I'm doing the same thing tonight. I always do clean installs, and never use migration assistant. (Call me a control freak.) My plan was to: Make sure my current install is as up to date as possible. Back up ~/Documents/Accordance Files/ and Library/Application Support/Accordance/ DL a fresh installer on the new machine/install location. Run the installer. Replace the new with the backed up: ~/Documents/Accordance Files/ Replace the new with the backed up: /Library/Application Support/Accordance/ (Some folks may instead have the modules folder in their user folder at: ~/Library/Application Support/Accordance/ ) That should be it. We'll see. (Until I realize what I forgot.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Weaks Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 One initial item of note. After running the installer on the new virgin system, upon inspecting the Library/Application Support/Accordance/ folder, all the gloss files (Biblio, Greek and Hebrew) are loose inside that directory, and not tucked away inside of /Gloss folder/. Isn't that where they should've installed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Weaks Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Progress Update: After the second launch of the app, it moved the gloss files into the gloss folder. But now, after replacing the preference files, I'm getting no automatic recognition of my installed modules. Going to try manual adding them now. Ugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen Brown Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Check that you don;t have another Accordance folder in the other Application Support. As long as you only have one, Accordance will find the files without you having to navigate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Weaks Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 No duplicate in the Home domain. I replace the new Accordance Preferences folder with the old one and when I launch, I get the "Please login to your account" dialog. After login, it wants me to Download all my stuff. *shrug* When I "Continue to setup", Accordance has nothing installed. *shrug* I can wait until one of you want me to try something new here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Weaks Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Ok, realized my error. I was neglecting ~/Library/Preferences/Accordance Preferences/ I also need to copy that folder over, of course. So, the truly correct process is: 1. Make sure my current install is as up to date as possible. 2. Back up three directories: ~/Documents/Accordance Files/ ~/Library/Preferences/Accordance Preferences/ Library/Application Support/Accordance/ 3. DL a fresh installer on the new machine/install location. 4. Run the installer. 5. Replace the new folders with the three you backed up. 6. Enjoy Accordance. In my defense, I did say in the op, "until I realize what I forgot". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voyager Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Along these lines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Mansfield Posted August 18, 2011 Author Share Posted August 18, 2011 Along these lines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Weaks Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 I discovered last night that I lost my parallels functionality in the process. Haven't investigated yet where those files are. Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Mansfield Posted August 18, 2011 Author Share Posted August 18, 2011 I discovered last night that I lost my parallels functionality in the process. Haven't investigated yet where those files are. Joe Assuming you have your Parallels Windows image, I think just installing the software again will take care of it. I'm actually glad you posted this, though, Joe, because I'd been meaning to follow up. I know that you don't like Migration Assistant because it didn't work for you correctly the first time you used it. If I remember correctly some of your files did not transfer over correctly because you had reorganized programs in your applications folder, which was something that was "allowed" in OS 9, but not so much in OS X. Whether or not newer versions of Migration Assistant will compensate for restructured Application folders, I have no idea. But my experience with Migration Assistant has been completely different. I have used Migration Assistant since it was first released until I decided not to use it with the MacBook Air I bought last Friday. And the process of moving to this new computer was a nightmare. For a little context of how well Migration Assistant has worked for me, consider that using Migration Assistant I moved all my personal files, preferences, and applications from a 2003 12" PowerBook to a 2005 17" PowerBook to a 2006 13" MacBook to a 2008 15" MacBook Pro (my most recent Mac before the new MacBook Air). And in doing that, I never had even one minor problem with my files using Migration Assistant. I could connect the old Mac and new Mac together, let Migration Assistant do its thing, and I'd be up and running in a matter of hours on the new machine. Very little downtime at all. It worked flawlessly every time. I even used Migration Assistant a couple of years ago to move my wife's files from her 2000 iBook (toilet seat model!) to a 2009 MacBook Air. Worked like a charm. So this time, in moving from the 2008 MacBook Pro to a 2011 MacBook Air, I decided not to use Migration Assistant for two reasons: (1) I was moving to a smaller hard drive (256 GB SSD), and I figured moving everything manually might be a bit easier since I knew I was going to have to put some files on an external hard drive (I got a 1 TB Western Digital Passport, which is small and easy to carry with me). (2) Every once in a while when I ventured into either of my library folders on my MacBook Pro, I would notice that I had preferences and other files leftover from programs that I had perhaps tested out on a trial basis or simply stopped using and deleted from my computer. While I doubt any of this clutter affected the performance of my Mac, I knew it wasn't necessary to keep these old cobwebbed files around. I new a clean install would take care of that. Well, moving everything manually (that is, without Migration Assistant) from my MacBook Pro to my MacBook Air took me four days in which I copied files over three different times, the last of which involved wiping the hard drive and starting completely over (by the way, the new Lion Recovery partition works like a charm--I now know from personal experience!). And I consider myself fairly tech savvy, having had my own computer since 1982 at age 14, but this was a mess. I can take blame for it and say I made a number of mistakes. In the first attempt, I'm not even certain what happened, but permissions were messed up so badly on my account that I could not even save changes to preferences. To fix this, I created a new user account, deleted the original one and moved all my files over a second time. But I had made a huge mistake. In creating the second user account from the first one, I had created a different user short name (you can't have two with the same short name on the same machine). So, when I transferred all my files over, I was no longer the owner of the files. I did have administrator privileges, so I could delete files, but I couldn't do so without typing in my password each time. Moreover, I had a lingering problem from the first attempt gone wrong. Something was still messed up with the permissions somewhere that caused my brand new MacBook Air to take about 15 to boot up! If I remember correctly, it's supposed to take about seven seconds. Although I had found information online about how to use terminal commands to give myself ownership of my files, I couldn't find any solution as to why rebooting was taking so long. Even booting up into safe mode didn't help. In hindsight, I should have booted up in verbose mode so that I could see where it was hanging, but I was so frustrated at this point that I just wanted to start over. So, I decided to test Lion's Recovery Partition. I rebooted into it, used Disk Utility to wipe the hard drive, and then I re-download Lion. Remember that the MacBook Air does not come with any media anymore, not even the USB key they were using on previous models. But it's really amazing at how well this works. Lion downloaded and reinstalled in about an hour and a half. This time, I set the Air up with the correct short user name and transferred my files over for a third time. I have had no ownership/permission problems at all so far. And of course, I had to reinstall all my software applications again, which I had done once already on the first attempt. I can say that being able to download Lion and reinstall apps from the Mac Appstore is a lifesaver. Not only that, but for all the criticism that MobileMe receives, being able to instantaneously retrieve email accounts and settings, contacts, calendars, Safari bookmarks, and Keychain information, including passwords, saved an incredible amount of time. I'm sure there may be an occasional issue or two that comes up, but so far, so good, on the third try. I'm keeping my TimeMachine backup of the MacBook Pro untouched for a few weeks until I'm certain that I didn't miss anything in my manual transfer. My situation was extreme because going to a new Mac doesn't usually involve going to a smaller hard drive, and I don't imagine any circumstances where I'll ever have to do that again. But I can say in the future I won't use anything but Migration Assistant, and I wouldn't recommend anything different to anyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Weaks Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Sorry to hear about the troubles. Eek. Frustrating. I think you're right that migration assistant is best for typical users (though you are not one). I muck around with loads of stuff on my computer all the time. I try our LOTS of apps, placing orphaned App Support and Pref files on the drive. Other nasty stuff too. Lots and lots of that stuff gets brought over in Migration Assistant, so fresh installs are my way of making myself get a clean slate each time. But, when I do a fresh install, I should clarify that I mean a fresh install of nearly everything. I don't bring much over from the old Library. I export mbox's. I reenter all my old data, passwords, mail setups, etc. Total setup took me an hour. And then, dragging Accordance folders was one of the very few things I brought over from the old Library folder. Dragging in lots of content from the old Library folder into the new one is just asking for trouble, including Permissions problems. Wow, what a journey you've had. BTW, when I said " I lost my parallels functionality", I meant that the Parallels modules aren't available in the new Accordance install. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Mansfield Posted August 18, 2011 Author Share Posted August 18, 2011 BTW, when I said " I lost my parallels functionality", I meant that the Parallels modules aren't available in the new Accordance install. Ha. Of course. I think I must've been thinking of the "other" Parallels because one thing I haven't set back up is my rarely used Windows installation in VMWare. I've got the image on the external drive, where I will probably keep it even if I do decide to use it again, but I'll have to re-download the software again if I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voyager Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 No, you're fine. It's version 9 that organizes your files differently, but it does it during installation. Thanks for my answer, R.! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Weaks Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Ha. Of course. I think I must've been thinking of the "other" Parallels because one thing I haven't set back up is my rarely used Windows installation in VMWare I also have not yet reinstalled my VMWare/Bootcamp partition. That is because a) I never used it, preferring to remote in to the server when needed, and I have an XP install but haven't purchased Windows 7, which is required now. Don't know that I will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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