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#21 R. Mansfield

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Posted 22 October 2011 - 12:59 PM

I ended up going with the 13" base MBA last month after my old MacBook finally kicked. Originally I was going to go with the 11" because of the advantage of portability. However, the two major factors that pushed me to the 13" were the battery life and memory. I tend to run multiple applications at all times (including Accordance) and 2GB of memory is just not sufficient for a proper operating experience. While the extra screen space and faster processor are a nice bonus, it's really the battery and memory that made the difference. I've only had the computer for about a month now, but I'm loving it and have no regrets.


My 11" MBA has 4 GB of RAM, and I bought it from a physical Apple Store. You don't have to settle for 2 GB of RAM just because you want an 11" MBA. I currently have nine programs running on my MBA as I type this, and all is smooth sailing. Fans haven't kicked on once. I can usually get between four and five hours of battery life if I'm not connected to power, but fortunately, I usually am.

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Posted 22 October 2011 - 02:13 PM

My 11" MBA has 4 GB of RAM, and I bought it from a physical Apple Store. You don't have to settle for 2 GB of RAM just because you want an 11" MBA. I currently have nine programs running on my MBA as I type this, and all is smooth sailing. Fans haven't kicked on once. I can usually get between four and five hours of battery life if I'm not connected to power, but fortunately, I usually am.


I assume you have the entry level 11" MBA then. If I remember correctly, the upper 11" does not have the ability to go up to 4GB. That was the dilemma I found myself in. I could have gone with the base 11" and added the memory, but then I was already spending almost as much as the 13" which would get me more screen, battery, and processor. Apple is quite skilled at selecting product details that trick you into upgrading like that. They got me; not that I have any regrets. :)

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Posted 22 October 2011 - 02:48 PM

I assume you have the entry level 11" MBA then. If I remember correctly, the upper 11" does not have the ability to go up to 4GB. That was the dilemma I found myself in. I could have gone with the base 11" and added the memory, but then I was already spending almost as much as the 13" which would get me more screen, battery, and processor. Apple is quite skilled at selecting product details that trick you into upgrading like that. They got me; not that I have any regrets. :)


Actually, no, I got the highest end 11" MBA possible. 1.8 Ghz. i7 with 256 GB SSD. Attached is a screenshot of it on Apple's website, but as I said, I got it already pre-configured (as opposed to Build-to-Order) right from the Apple Store in Louisville, Kentucky.

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Posted 22 October 2011 - 02:58 PM

Here's my 11" MBA with the nifty Skinit decal I created:

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Edited by R. Mansfield, 22 October 2011 - 03:02 PM.

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Posted 22 October 2011 - 03:21 PM

Actually, no, I got the highest end 11" MBA possible. 1.8 Ghz. i7 with 256 GB SSD. Attached is a screenshot of it on Apple's website, but as I said, I got it already pre-configured (as opposed to Build-to-Order) right from the Apple Store in Louisville, Kentucky.

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Gotcha. I misread the product details on the website, big surprise. :rolleyes:


Here's my 11" MBA with the nifty Skinit decal I created:

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Very nice! I really do like the size of the 11" MBA. Such a convenient little notebook. And in your case, a very good looking one too.

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 12:05 PM

Here's my 11" MBA with the nifty Skinit decal I created:

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Rick:

That is one fantastic looking MBA and it has given me some inspiration, too. :-)

I should have been a little more specific when I inquired about the i7 and temperature. I am most concerned with how warm (or not) the case may be to the touch and whether it would be uncomfortable on one's lap. Have you any experience with excessive heat in that regard?

This has been a most helpful discussion!

I am currently awaiting an Apple gift card from Power On for recycling of a laptop. Once that is received, a shopping I will go. I really appreciate all the insight everyone has contributed.

Now if I could just find a cure for indecision-o-mania.
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Posted 23 October 2011 - 03:05 PM

I am most concerned with how warm (or not) the case may be to the touch and whether it would be uncomfortable on one's lap. Have you any experience with excessive heat in that regard?


No significant heat issues at all. My MBP was much hotter.

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Posted 24 October 2011 - 03:28 PM

The MacBook Pros just got about as minor of an update as you could draw up. A shame no screen upgrade to keep up with the MBA's (though I'm happy since I bought a new MBP 3 months ago).

Here's a summary of the changes.
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Posted 24 October 2011 - 03:42 PM

Well, as Joe just beat me to mentioning, the MacBook Pros were given minor speed bumps over the weekend, and that seems to be all. Not a major upgrade, and I doubt we'll see any more updates to them this year.

I think that I would still hold to my original opinion: I find the 11" MacBook Air to be of value because of its small footprint and weight. I'd recommend the maximum 4 GB of RAM, 1.8 Ghz dual-core i7, and the 256 GB SSD (unless your hard drive needs are relatively minor).

Personally, outside of saving a couple of pounds in weight, I don't see quite the same advantage in the 13" MacBook Air as I do in the smaller version . If it were me (and that's the key point), if I really felt like I needed the larger screen, I still believe I'd be inclined to get the 13" MacBook Pro with more power and options. If I were getting a 13" Mac, I'd get the MacBook Pro with 8 GB of RAM, 2.8 Ghz dual-core i7 and 500 GB SSD. I'd remove the optical drive and replace it with a second hard drive--probably a non-SSD in the 1 TB range for video editing and storing my iTunes folder. That's going to be pricy, but it's going to be one incredibly powerful and fast Mac that will last for a very long time before its outdated.

Nevertheless, I'm still very pleased with my 11" MBA and if I had it to do over, I'd still buy the same machine.

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Posted 24 October 2011 - 05:39 PM

No significant heat issues at all. My MBP was much hotter.



The MBP's are hotter, particularly if they have a 7200 rpm HD in them. I usually use a lap desk when I work from my recliner. At some point, I hope to add an SSD to mine from OWC. It will run cooler and be faster.

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Posted 03 November 2011 - 11:59 PM

I am currently awaiting a gift card from Apple for selling an old MacBook to PowerOn. I am hopeful that I might get the gift car yet this week and visit the Apple store this weekend, but it might have to be next weekend.

I will have the benefit of all your excellent insight and comments while making my selection of my next Mac. It is always an event to visit an Apple store - even just to look.

I'll let y'all know the outcome.

Thanks, again!
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Posted 06 November 2011 - 12:09 AM

I received my Apple Gift Card from PowerOn in the mail on Friday. So, today we took a trip to the Apple store in Indianapolis and I was pretty quickly convinced that the 11" MacBook Air was the computer for me. The 13" just seemed to large - a real surprise to me! I purchased the 2nd tier model with 4GB of memory and the 128GB Flash Drive and to this point I am extremely pleased with it. The size is just perfect for toting and seems to be good for using as well. The upgraded processor might have been nice but my needs are pretty nominal for speed and I think I shot my budget as it was. I am quite pleased with what I have.

Thanks for all the opinions and insight. They were really quite helpful.
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Posted 06 November 2011 - 05:43 AM

Glad that you found one that's suitable for your needs. In reality, they're all great, so the final choice is tough. Enjoy Accordance on your new Air
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Posted 25 July 2012 - 03:10 PM

Well, call me fickle, and my apologies to anyone who might feel I've led them astray [and my apologies for the singular they], but I've changed my mind.

After having the 11" MacBook Air for almost an entire year, I've decided the screen is simply too small for my needs. I've got a 15" MacBook Pro on order.

If you followed this thread from the beginning, you might remember that I was so taken with the small size and portability of the iPad, I wanted a much smaller Mac, too. So last summer, I traded in my 15" MBP for the 11.6" MBA. I figured that with an external monitor on both my home and office desks, the small screen wouldn't be a negative issue. Well, it actually is a problem at times.

The reality is that there are simply too many times when I need or want to use the laptop simply by itself. Sometimes that means I need to work in a setting where I'm not at either desk, or sometimes I just want to work from the recliner in the living room! And although I admit it quite begrudgingly, my 44-year-old eyes need something larger than 11.6" for grading a half-dozen papers or so at a time in one sitting.

But there's a bigger issue. And I already know that some will disagree with what I'm about to say--and that's okay. If you disagree, just wave your hand toward your computer screen of whatever size you have and say, "Well, that's his opinion."

Here it is: I don't like using Accordance on an 11.6" screen.

Now, let me be clear: that's not a knock against Accordance. I really think this would be true for any Bible software program--Logos, BibleWorks, WORDsearch, and the rest. I simply use Accordance the most.

One of the values of any of these modern Bible programs (for my purposes) is to have multiple texts arranged together on the screen. I found that I had to limit Accordance to four windows for it to be usable on an 11.6" screen. Not only did I feel restricted by this, I found myself constantly having to expand one window in front of the others to do what I needed to do.

For what it's worth, Accordance has been marvelously developed to accommodate itself to users with the smallest of Apple's laptop screens. I simply miss the freedom I had with the larger screen.

These issues and the fact that I'm down to about 10 GB of free space on the 256 GB SSD in my MBA (I already carry an additional 1 TB external drive) made me realize that I had to do something. Normally, I'll buy the extended AppleCare warranty near the end of a laptop's first year of use. I bought the 11.6" MBA on August 12, 2011, so that deadline is running out. Did I want to spend another $200 on a machine I wasn't happy with? Also, with the hard drive issue, I was probably going to have to shell out $750 to OWC to get their 480 GB replacement SSD drive. I really wasn't keen on this either.

The question is--what size to get? The 17" is no longer a strong option because they've been discontinued. Yes, there are some in Apple's refurb store, but I had a 17" PowerBook at one time, and that added weight can really make a shoulder sore when carried for any significant length of time. A 13" MBP would probably be fine, but then over the weekend, the fellow whom I sold my 15" MBP to last year came over for me to help him with some photos. As I looked at my previous Mac, wondering why I ever gave it up to begin with (It's still a very functional machine!), I thought about how nice that 15" screen looked.

That was the deciding factor. I've got a 15" MBP on the way, and I've also already put in my order for a new 15" School of Athens skin from Skinit.com.

And if you know anyone in the market for a gently used 2011 11.6" MacBook Air, let me know.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 06:00 PM

Rick:

I really like my 11" Air but would agree that at times it would be nice to have a larger screen (at my home desk I have a 23" monitor) and my 56 year eyes have no real problem with viewing the small screen for periods of time. But I am not grading papers for an extended time - that might make a big difference. :)

My major concern is the storage space. I purchased the 128GB model and I am running anywhere from 20 to 30 GB of free space. I am considering the move to an OWC model of higher capacity. I really like my Air - the flash drive makes a world of difference. I don't think I would have another laptop without a flash drive.

If you haven't considered it, perhaps the Apple recycle & reuse program http://store.apple.c...use_and_recycle might be worth looking at. They may not give you exactly what you would like for the computer but it is an option.
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 06:17 PM

Greg,
Here's my take - hope it's worth 2 cents!
I had an 11" Air and while I liked the portability, I was always a bit frustrated by the screen size - it was too small. I like my Accordance setup with multiple tabs and it always felt cramped on the 11. Last month I upgraded to the new 13" Air and I must say that it is the best computer I ever used. It's still very portable - I sometimes use in in the living room and the computer is light enough to rest on my chest while I recline and type (I know - decadent at best). The extra screen real estate makes using Accordance, or multiple programs very nice.
My take, having owned both, is that the only reason you should go for an 11" is if you absolutely can't stand any heavier or bigger than that. Other wise, I'd say go for the 13 Air - it's a better all around computer.

Enjoy your decision :)

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 08:34 PM

I too love my 11 inch MacBook Air, but appreciated all the points made. Portability, storage, speed, screen size have to balanced. Sometimes it is a compromise. All are great computers. Consider what you were using 5-7 years ago!
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 08:52 PM

At least with the new MBPs, I can get a 768 GB SSD.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 07:56 AM

Hey - I didn't follow this thread from the beginning, but read a lot of it this morning. Very interesting discussion.

I have a late 2008 unibody 15" MBP. I have upgraded the memory from 4GB to 8, and the HD from 320GB to 750. (Love OWC.) While I have looked with longing at the smaller machines, the screen size just won't cut it for me. For my daily reading time, I always have at least 3 texts open at once - 2 English + the GNT for the NT, 3 English versions for the OT (after I learn some Hebrew, I'll probably have it open, too). I like to have my own notes open, notes for the NASB, a study Bible, plus other stuff. This is the window I use every day for my devotional time.

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Rick, you mentioned your 44 year old eyes. Wait until you hit 60. The situation does NOT improve. I have an astigmatism, too. I frequently use my MBP away from my desk. Trying to make out the breathing marks in the Greek text on a small screen would be nearly impossible unless I significantly enlarge the font. And I really do want more than a couple of verses on the screen at a time.

Since my machine is still working perfectly (now with Mountain Lion), I don't have to make a decision soon. But I will probably be sticking with a 15-inch. Hope the price of the Retina display comes down in the next year, as well as the price of the SSDs. The difference in the clarity in Accordance between the iPad 2 and the new iPad is significant and well worth the upgrade. The Greek is crystal clear. That is the kind of display I need for my laptop.

I would dearly love to have a smaller, lighter-weight machine. But until my eyes become bionic (I'm not holding my breath), I'll have to stick with a 15".

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 08:06 AM

Julie, your screenshot is an example of what I miss being able to do on my MacBook when I just have it by itself.

I did go ahead and order one of the retina display MBPs. I realize that most applications, including Accordance, don't take advantage of it yet, but I assume they all will eventually. The RD MBP, from what I read, is about a pound lighter than previous MBPs.

Like you, I had the 2008 15". I wish I'd kept it, but a friend of mine offered me $1000 for it last year, and that seemed like a good deal at the time. That was a solid machine and more upgradeable than any of them are now. I'd even bought from OWC one of the trays for adding a second hard drive (in place of the optical drive) and had two hard drives in that Mac before I sold it. Now, I have to carry an external 1 TB drive with me.

I ordered the maximum 768 GB SSD for my new Mac, which actually still won't be larger enough, but I'll be able to fit everything on it except for my iTunes library, so I can live with that.

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