Enoch Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Vines Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words. I can't believe it, but apparently Accordance does not have this Dictionary. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HansK Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Incrediible. This is not only a Dictionary, but also a Commentary. Very good to have in A. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilT Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 I thought Stephen Renn updated this dictionary some time ago and is now in some packages as Renn's dictionary. I may be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Francis Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 (edited) I use to value this dictionary a lot but had been advised it's scholarship was suspect in many places. I use this as an example: -------------------------------------------------- DEMON, DEMONIAC A. Nouns. 1. daimon (δαίμων, 1142), “a demon,” signified, among pagan Greeks, an inferior deity, whether good or bad. In the NT it denotes “an evil spirit.” It is used in Matt. 8:31, mistranslated “devils.” Some would derive the word from a root da—, meaning “to distribute.” More probably it is from a similar root da—, meaning “to know,” and hence means “a knowing one.”¶ W. E. Vine, Merrill F. Unger, and William White Jr., Vine’s Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words (Nashville, TN: T. Nelson, 1996), 157. -------------------------------------------------- The italics and bold are mine. I had consulted numerous other lexicons and couldn't find one that even entertained that possible alternative etymology. Now it is very true demons are knowing in scripture, but it appears to be grasping here with nothing to back it up. Now I depend on lexicons, and maybe this is a valid option. but it leaves me wary of the volume. -dan PS: Complete Word Study Bible by AMG does support this etymology but I have also been cautioned of it too. Edited August 25, 2014 by Dan Francis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Bennett Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 I don't recall the exact reason why we do not have Vine's, but we do have Renn's, and Mounce's Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words (which was marketed as Vine's for the 21st century). Mounce is also nicely integrated with the Greek and Hebrew dictionaries included with our Strong's / Key Number Bibles. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HansK Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Renn's is not a revised version of Vine's. Please add the Vine's to Accordance. I often refer to this work, which was endorsed by F.F. Bruce. Some entries in Vine's are dated, but which work is not dated? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoch Posted August 25, 2014 Author Share Posted August 25, 2014 I use to value this dictionary a lot but had been advised it's scholarship was suspect in many places. I use this as an example: -------------------------------------------------- DEMON, DEMONIAC A. Nouns. 1. daimon (δαίμων, 1142), “a demon,” signified, among pagan Greeks, an inferior deity, whether good or bad. In the NT it denotes “an evil spirit.” It is used in Matt. 8:31, mistranslated “devils.” Some would derive the word from a root da—, meaning “to distribute.” More probably it is from a similar root da—, meaning “to know,” and hence means “a knowing one.”¶ W. E. Vine, Merrill F. Unger, and William White Jr., Vine’s Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words (Nashville, TN: T. Nelson, 1996), 157. -------------------------------------------------- The italics and bold are mine. I had consulted numerous other lexicons and couldn't find one that even entertained that possible alternative etymology. Now it is very true demons are knowing in scripture, but it appears to be grasping here with nothing to back it up. Now I depend on lexicons, and maybe this is a valid option. but it leaves me wary of the volume. -dan PS: Complete Word Study Bible by AMG does support this etymology but I have also been cautioned of it too. My guess is that few lexicographers will do much on etymology nowadays, as it is a field greatly attacked. I think most would fear an attack if they paraded out supposed etymologies. I like them, but I also can take them with a grain of salt. It is true that a person without training in this area might put too much faith in them. I would hardly put any weight on an explanation of justification as "just as if you had never sinned." But methinks that in the olden days, etymologies were the bee's knees; then in came synchronic linguisticsm, as if the total explanation of a chess game at any point was merely the position of the pieces, not how they got there -- still you need to know whose move it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Francis Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 (edited) My guess is that few lexicographers will do much on etymology nowadays, as it is a field greatly attacked. I think most would fear an attack if they paraded out supposed etymologies. I like them, but I also can take them with a grain of salt. It is true that a person without training in this area might put too much faith in them. I would hardly put any weight on an explanation of justification as "just as if you had never sinned." Probably the example I am thinking of in english is cock and clock... A rooster may make an alarm in the morning. But does not mean clock is derived from the former. -Dan PS: Thankfully that worked...some forums see that as a foul word.. pun intended.. Edited August 25, 2014 by Dan Francis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidmedina Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Vines was probably one of the first books (after the Bible, of course, that I bought after I became a Christian back in 1980. It was recommended by my pastor and it was a nice hardbound edition and I still have it. It used to be my go to dictionary and I do have it in Logos. But to be honest, since I started to use Mounce's I haven't used Vines much if at all mostly because the same information but more updated (or less out of date) can be found in Mounce's. It probably should not be too much work to add it to Accordance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Λύχνις Δαν Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 (edited) Hey Dan, LSJ reports almost the same derivational information : B = δαήμων, knowing, δ. μάχης skilled in fight, Archil.3.4. (Pl.Cra.398b, suggests this as the orig. sense; while others would write δαήμονες in Archil., and get rid of this sense altogether; cf. however αἳμων. More probably the Root of δαίμων (deity) is δαίω to distribute destinies;; cf. Alcm.48.)“δαίμων,” LSJ, 366. Can't say I especially convinced by either and I'd certainly like to see what that Brill publication (oops forgot the ref : http://www.accordancebible.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=12969) says, but .... Tx D Edited August 26, 2014 by Daniel Semler 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoch Posted September 3, 2014 Author Share Posted September 3, 2014 Hey Dan, LSJ reports almost the same derivational information : B = δαήμων, knowing, δ. μάχης skilled in fight, Archil.3.4. (Pl.Cra.398b, suggests this as the orig. sense; while others would write δαήμονες in Archil., and get rid of this sense altogether; cf. however αἳμων. More probably the Root of δαίμων (deity) is δαίω to distribute destinies;; cf. Alcm.48.) “δαίμων,” LSJ, 366. Can't say I especially convinced by either and I'd certainly like to see what that Brill publication (oops forgot the ref : http://www.accordancebible.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=12969) says, but .... Tx D Thanks for another great post. I am thankful that the L&S tradition was begun before the more modern allergy to etymology & philology arose (Who shot clock Robin?) with the "rolling of the eyes" at etymologies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Mansfield Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 Great news! Vine's Expository Dictionary of OT & NT Words is now available for Accordance! And for a limited time, you can get an introductory discount of $7.99--that's 81% off the regular price! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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