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Renn Bible Words Vs. Vine's


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I am considering getting Vine's on for KIndle on my iPad being that Accordance does not offer it at this time. I did see Renn Bible Words in my modules though. Has anyone had the opportunity to use both of these resources. If so should I still get Vine's? Also available on Kindle is Mounce's Dictionary for consideration.

 

Thanks in adavance!

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I am considering getting Vine's on for KIndle on my iPad being that Accordance does not offer it at this time. I did see Renn Bible Words in my modules though. Has anyone had the opportunity to use both of these resources. If so should I still get Vine's? Also available on Kindle is Mounce's Dictionary for consideration.

 

Thanks in adavance!

 

Hi, Circuit Rider!

 

Renn's is quite good, I would consider it superior to Vine's, which I really hesitate to recommend.

 

If you really want to step up to better word studies, I'd recommend NIDNTT (NT, $109) and NIDOTTE (OT, $129). Though not cheap, both of these books are treasures

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Hi, Circuit Rider!

 

Renn's is quite good, I would consider it superior to Vine's, which I really hesitate to recommend.

 

If you really want to step up to better word studies, I'd recommend NIDNTT (NT, $109) and NIDOTTE (OT, $129). Though not cheap, both of these books are treasures

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Tim, since I've met you (via podcast) you've cost me a lot of money! But you haven't steered me wrong yet, so I'll take this advice to heart.

 

Thanks for the info!

 

[Chuckle]

 

Thanks, Circuit Rider!

 

However, just think of the money I've saved you! ;) I won't bore you [or discourage me] with tales of the hard-earned cash I've put into some books, only to find out they were worthless to me. Happily, some of my students found those same books helpful.

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Tim, would you clarify your reservations on Vines, please? I'm curious why you would hesitate to recommend it.

 

Thanks!

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Tim, would you clarify your reservations on Vines, please? I'm curious why you would hesitate to recommend it.

 

Thanks!

 

 

Any chance of a reply, Tim? I know a lot of people who use Vines and wonder why you would hesitate to recommend it.

 

Thanks!

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Any chance of a reply, Tim? I know a lot of people who use Vines and wonder why you would hesitate to recommend it.

 

Thanks!

 

[Chuckle] So you're not going to let me dodge your question, huh? ;-) OK, here goes...

 

There are a number of tools from the previous generation of scholars that were fine for their day, but have long since been surpassed. These include Vine's word studies, AT Robinson's Word Pictures of the New Testament, the one-volume Zondervan Bible Dictionary, the original Halley's Bible Handbook, many of Alfred Edersheim's books, etc. Generally, these were written by a single person who could not have personally mastered everything in their books, but if s/he used material by other scholars did not bother to cite it, or even give footnotes with his/her sources! Most of these are in the public domain today and are therefore very cheap to buy. That means people continue buying them, even though they are very outdated.

 

Few non-specialists appreciate how much more we know about the Bible today than 100 years ago

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Hi Dr J,

 

I can follow you here :-)

 

But ... I like Vine and his works, which were recommended often by FF Bruce (also Christian Brethren).

Perhaps it is good to have his Dictionary too in Accordance. Just for comparison. If Robertson is also available....

 

Thank you for your podcasts, which are helpful to me. But you cost me a lot of money too :-)

 

Blessings, Hans

(The Netherlands)

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Dear Tim,

 

Thanks for the truly excellent and well-reasoned reply, I should put you on the spot more often!

I generally believe that today's best scholars are "giants standing on the shoulders of dwarfs," though of course we are indebted to the past generations of scholars, preachers and teachers.

It's just that we can see so much further than they with the tools we have at our disposal, as you mentioned.

 

I actually am wary of Vines, indeed am wary of a lot of 'word-study' material in general, especially those marketed towards the untrained or self-trained non-specialist or amateur, when you can get _every_ possible meaning of a word applied to the text, regardless of context.

 

Your explanation has wrapped it all up very neatly.

 

Thanks again!

 

~Alistair

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There are a number of tools from the previous generation of scholars that were fine for their day, but have long since been surpassed. These include Vine's word studies, AT Robinson's Word Pictures of the New Testament, the one-volume Zondervan Bible Dictionary, the original Halley's Bible Handbook, many of Alfred Edersheim's books, etc. Generally, these were written by a single person who could not have personally mastered everything in their books, but if s/he used material by other scholars did not bother to cite it, or even give footnotes with his/her sources! Most of these are in the public domain today and are therefore very cheap to buy. That means people continue buying them, even though they are very outdated.

 

Sorry to resurrect an older thread, but I wondered if you could comment on Edersheim's books. My wife and I have enjoyed reading through these books. I also have Schurer's books, which are more technical but equally dated. What resources would you suggest as newer replacements for these works?

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My vote for the Vines again http://www.accordancebible.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif

 

Hi Dr J,

 

I can follow you here :-)

 

But ... I like Vine and his works, which were recommended often by FF Bruce (also Christian Brethren).

Perhaps it is good to have his Dictionary too in Accordance. Just for comparison. If Robertson is also available....

 

Thank you for your podcasts, which are helpful to me. But you cost me a lot of money too :-)

 

Blessings, Hans

(The Netherlands)

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Great news! Vine's Expository Dictionary of OT & NT Words is now available for Accordance! And for a limited time, you can get an introductory discount of $7.99--that's 81% off the regular price!

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