Abram K-J Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 I think I can make most of the answer to my question from the video that introduces Comprehensive Bible Cross References, but wanted to ask to what Accordance modules do the references link? It looks like: PSEUD=Charles Pseudepigrapha PHILO-E=Philo in English QUMENG=Qumran in English Is that all right? And it looks like there is AF-E for Apostolic Fathers. Is AFL-E supported, too, if that's all I have installed? At $20 I'll probably get it either way (great sale!), but wanted to ask anyway about what to expect by way of hyperlink functionality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Bennett Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 Pseud. = Charlesworth (as of an update that will go live very soon). All the rest are the English translations. For Apostolic Fathers it is AF-E (Holmes). Keep in mind we're in the process of updating modules so that links to related ones will work. So, if you own QUMRAN, but not QUMENG the link will open QUMRAN, etc. Same goes for AFL-E (Lightfoot). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abram K-J Posted March 20, 2014 Author Share Posted March 20, 2014 Nice! That's good to hear. And if I only own Charles but not Charlesworth, does that mean that in the meantime I won't be able to link directly to Pseudepigrepha? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eoin Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 I purchased the AFL-E (Lightfoot) - but it doesn't seem to work with the Comprehensive Bible Cross References - unless I cut and paste a reference. Is something wrong with my set up? John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Bennett Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 We hard coded the Apostolic Fathers links to the Holmes Edition (AF-E). But as mentioned here and elsewhere we're in the process of implementing the option where Avcordance will cycle through compatible modules to find a reference before returning an error. So AFL-E (Lightfoot) will work when this is done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eoin Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Thank you for the information. Keep up the good work - John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Bennett Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 For those following this thread, we have issued updates to several texts (available in Check for Content Updates) that address this issue. Accordance should now properly navigate to any compatible module in a hyperlink. We still have more to update, but the most popular ones should be ready. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abram K-J Posted March 25, 2014 Author Share Posted March 25, 2014 Boo yah. Thank you, Rick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accord Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 For those following this thread, we have issued updates to several texts (available in Check for Content Updates) that address this issue. Accordance should now properly navigate to any compatible module in a hyperlink. We still have more to update, but the most popular ones should be ready. Rick, received a number of updates for this - thanks! However, I wonder if Charles will be a compatible module for the Pseud? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Bennett Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 Rick, received a number of updates for this - thanks! However, I wonder if Charles will be a compatible module for the Pseud? That should be the case now. The links are coded to Charlesworth (PSEUD-CW, PSEUD2-CW, PSEUD3-CW), but if Charlesworth is not installed it should open the link in Charles (PSEUD, PSEUD2, PSEUD3), or Evans (PSEUD-T, PSEUD-E) assuming the reference is found. There are works in Charlesworth not in Charles or Evans. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accord Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 That should be the case now. The links are coded to Charlesworth (PSEUD-CW, PSEUD2-CW, PSEUD3-CW), but if Charlesworth is not installed it should open the link in Charles (PSEUD, PSEUD2, PSEUD3), or Evans (PSEUD-T, PSEUD-E) assuming the reference is found. There are works in Charlesworth not in Charles or Evans. Thanks for your reply. I'm finding links such as "2Enoch 24:5" (as one example) which is in Charles not being found… therefore my question. Do you recommend reporting these via "report a correction"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Bennett Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 Thanks for your reply. I'm finding links such as "2Enoch 24:5" (as one example) which is in Charles not being found… therefore my question. Do you recommend reporting these via "report a correction"? I'd have to look at it in more detail to determine why this is happening. You can report it, but since we're already discussing it, can you give me more specifics to check it now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accord Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 I'd have to look at it in more detail to determine why this is happening. You can report it, but since we're already discussing it, can you give me more specifics to check it now? Rick, thanks for your time. Screenshots to demonstrate: I opened all my Pseud in another zone to see if the reference exists. As you can see, nothing shows up in instant details when hovering over the ref. 2Enoch 24:5. Clicking on hyperlink reference 2Enoch 24:5 in CCR brings up the drop down warning. Following the same pattern as first screenshot for CCR ref. 2Enoch 26:1 Same result when clicking on hyperlink CCR ref. 2Enoch 26:1 Hope this helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Bennett Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 What is your version number on PSEUD? It should be at 2.0. If it is not, run Check for Content Updates and try the link again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoch Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 I am not sure that I understand this module. Does it include Bible cross references? For example, if I come to a donkey in the NT, does it key to all the rest of the donkeys in the OT? Or does it just key to donkeys in the Egyptian Book of the Dead, etc. I note that in addition to the "comprehensive" tool there is also a module called "Exhaustive Cross References of the Bible" With regard to the Bible cross-refs, how do these two modules compare? (BTW, I highlit the above to make it all turn black, but I still see green here.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accord Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 What is your version number on PSEUD? It should be at 2.0. If it is not, run Check for Content Updates and try the link again. Rick it's 2.2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Simpson Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 I am not sure that I understand this module. Does it include Bible cross references? For example, if I come to a donkey in the NT, does it key to all the rest of the donkeys in the OT? Or does it just key to donkeys in the Egyptian Book of the Dead, etc. I note that in addition to the "comprehensive" tool there is also a module called "Exhaustive Cross References of the Bible" With regard to the Bible cross-refs, how do these two modules compare? (BTW, I highlit the above to make it all turn black, but I still see green here.) Hi Enoch, there are not as many Biblical cross-references. It is mainly to non-biblical material. I will post the entry to Matthew 1:1 so you can get a taste... John 1:1; Pseudepigrapha, 3Enoch 26:9, Hellenistic Synagogal Prayers 3:1; Hellenistic Synagogal Prayers 12:18, Hellenistic Synagogal Prayers 15:3; Pseudepigrapha, Sibylline Oracles 1.5, Testament of Abraham 11:9; Philo, Appendices A Treatise Concerning the World (1), On Dreams That they Are God-Sent (1.215), Who is the Heir of Divine Things (122); Ambrose, Of the Holy Spirit - Book 2.1, Of the Holy Spirit - Book 2.35; Athanasius, Defence of the Nicene Definition - 13, Discourse 2 - 57; Incarnation of the Word - 3.1; Basil, The Hexaemeron - Homily 1.2; Gregory of Nyssa, Answer To Eunomius Second Book, On the Making of Man - 1.2; Hilary of Poitiers, On the Trinity - Book 2.14; Jerome, Letter 057 - To Pammachius.11; John of Damascus, Exposition of the Orthodox Faith - Book 2.10; Clement of Alexandria, Exhortation to the Heathen 8, Stromata Book 6.7; Clement, Homily 16.8, Recognitions Book 1.27; Constitutions of the Holy Apostles, Book 5.7, Book 6.11; Hippolytus, Refutation of all Heresies Book 8.2; Irenaeus, Against Heresies Book 2.2.5; Justin, Hortatory Address to the Greeks 28; Methodius, Fragments Extracts from the Work on Things Created; Origen, Commentary on the Gospel of John Book 1.17, De Principiis Book 2.9.1; De Principiis Book 3.6.8; Tertullian, Against Hermogenes 3, Against Hermogenes 19; Against Hermogenes 20, Against Hermogenes 22; Tertullian, Against Hermogenes 29; Theodotus, Excerpts 3; Egyptian Book of the Dead, Oration 17, Oration 79; Leiden Hymn, 100 If you own the resources referenced then you can amplify to them. It's a very interesting resource. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Buck Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 FWIW, I removed Charlesworth from my library and tried some of these links. No dice. It was weird. See the screencast here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Buck Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Whoa, even more weird nonsense. See this comparison of 10.4.0 and 10.4.1rc2. Also, just noticed that these links all go to the same location. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Bennett Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Rick it's 2.2 Right, yes; 2.2. I'll look into all this further. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accord Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Rick and Graham, many thanks for checking this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Bennett Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Rick and Graham, many thanks for checking this. We're working on some additional enhancements in Accordance to help with the accuracy of links when the target module is not installed, but it's a bit complicated (it always is when working with the Pseudepigrapha). Can I make a somewhat serious suggestion? Use the current 20% off sale to buy Charlesworth if you are at all serious about reading / researching the OT Pseudepigrapha. Not only is it the authoritative version for these texts, the book introductions and essays are invaluable for getting a grasp on their complex nature. Thanks again for the feedback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoch Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Ken: It looks like Accordance has made a great contribution towards Historical-Grammatical interpretation with this tool. Maybe I will spring for it during the sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Simpson Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 (edited) Hi Enoch, it is a very interesting resource. It is a background tool, not a direct grammatical aid as you so rightly suggest. I don't always agree with his thoughts about like to other material, but always find it stimulating to think about. Clontz has done an amazing job in putting it all together. And I am told he is an engineer! Edited March 28, 2014 by Ken Simpson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accord Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 We're working on some additional enhancements in Accordance to help with the accuracy of links when the target module is not installed, but it's a bit complicated (it always is when working with the Pseudepigrapha). Can I make a somewhat serious suggestion? Use the current 20% off sale to buy Charlesworth if you are at all serious about reading / researching the OT Pseudepigrapha. Not only is it the authoritative version for these texts, the book introductions and essays are invaluable for getting a grasp on their complex nature. Thanks again for the feedback. Rick, 10.4.1 update has addressed the link accuracy… thank you!!!! Perhaps you can tell me if Charlesworth covers everything found within Charles and Evans? I can see from certain links Charlesworth has material not found in the other two. Your answer will help me with my decision regarding your above suggestion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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