NET parallel problem, a verse missing in certain situations.

[Martin Z]

Please see the two screenshots below.

Where is Rev 12:18 in the 2nd parallel situation?

 

 

 

Martin

[Paul Meiklejohn]

In some of ancient manuscripts some passages or verses have been omitted. Depending on what manuscripts the translators use for their text, you may or may not have that included. Always have a look at any footnotes included or relevant commentaries.

Edited October 28, 2014 by Paul Meiklejohn

[Daniel Saunders]

Interesting 'feature' you've found there Martin. Hopefully one of the developers sees this - because it's not how I would expect Accordance to behave. If the NET translation (or the UBS4/GNT module) was being viewed, I would expect to see v18 regardless of whether or not it was part of the main/primary text.

[JonathanHuber]

It's not there in the second view because the verses displayed are entirely dependent on the search text. There are reasons for it, and you're free to disagree and request that it behave differently, but it's not a bug. This is the way Accordance is currently designed to work.

[Martin Z]

It's not there in the second view because the verses displayed are entirely dependent on the search text. There are reasons for it, and you're free to disagree and request that it behave differently, but it's not a bug. This is the way Accordance is currently designed to work.

 

​More strange things.

I imported a Chinese Bible. The Chinese Bible in a few places have different verse number.

For example, Num 1:20-21 are together as one verse.

The file I use leaves lists Num 1:20, but leaves the content blank. Num 1:21 lists the whole verse (actually Num 1:20-21 in English Bible).

It performs just as expected.

 

So I did the same thing.

I edited the TXT file, added Rev 12:18 to it with blank content.

 

However, it just doesn't act correctly.

When I scroll to Rev 12:18, the NET shows Rev 13:1 instead.

 

And, when come to the end of Revelation, Rev 12:18 shows up after the last verse.

 

It is user imported Bible. I cannot tell if it has anything to do with the original file. However, given the example of the problem NET has with ESV, I think I could suspect the problem has something to do with the App itself.

 

Edited:

One more thing, the NET does not even list Rev 12:18 when it is paralleled with ESVS.

 

I can understand when NET is paralleled to other Bibles which do not have Rev 12:18, it does not show Rev 12:18.

But I don't understand why even after I added Rev 12:18 to the user Bible, it still does not show up.

 

BibleWorks and Logos handle this problem better.

 

Hope it can be fixed.

Martin

Edited October 28, 2014 by martinacc

[JonathanHuber]

There is a textual variant at Rev. 12:18, and translations handle that phrase a little differently. You can see this in the first screenshot of your first post. "And the dragon stood on the sand of the seashore" (NET 12:18) is attached to the end of 12:17 in the ESV. That's a decision made by the translation, not by Accordance. A user bible, especially one with different versification, might have its own problems. I don't see anything here to indicate that there's a bug in the app, but maybe someone from Accordance can clarify.

[Martin Z]

There is a textual variant at Rev. 12:18, and translations handle that phrase a little differently. You can see this in the first screenshot of your first post. "And the dragon stood on the sand of the seashore" (NET 12:18) is attached to the end of 12:17 in the ESV. That's a decision made by the translation, not by Accordance. A user bible, especially one with different versification, might have its own problems. I don't see anything here to indicate that there's a bug in the app, but maybe someone from Accordance can clarify.

 

I don't think it is because of the text note. There are so many textual problem, why the problem only shows up here?

I think it isn because of the way Acc. handles parallel texts.

 

NET follows the NA28 which has Rev 12:18.

the other versions have this verse, but rather than having Rev 12:18, they just attach these words to Rev 12:17.

 

As I have shown, BW and Logos handle this problem better.

 

Accordance shows verses depends on the search version.

It does not show the verses in parallel texts which the search version does not have.

 

That is why when we set the NET as the search version, Rev 12:18 shows up, and in other cases, it does not show up. It happens to all texts, not just the NET. See the same problem with NA28.

 

[Joel Brown]

For both your BW and Logos examples, they are independent texts scrolling together, rather than panes showing the same results. You can easily get the same result in Accordance using multiple tied tabs:

 

 

You are correct in your understanding - when you ask Accordance to display verses in the ESV, it will display the verses that the ESV has. If there is a verse not in the ESV (like Rev 12:18), it doesn't even know that verse exists, so it can't display it

[Martin Z]

For both your BW and Logos examples, they are independent texts scrolling together, rather than panes showing the same results. You can easily get the same result in Accordance using multiple tied tabs:

 

http://www.accordancebible.com/forums/public/style_images/master/attachicon.gifScreen Shot 2014-10-28 at 12.13.21 PM.png

 

You are correct in your understanding - when you ask Accordance to display verses in the ESV, it will display the verses that the ESV has. If there is a verse not in the ESV (like Rev 12:18), it doesn't even know that verse exists, so it can't display it

 

Thanks a lot Joel.

I get what you say. Logos works in similar way as the "tied" texts in Acc. (Just learned today! )

But I think BW is in parallel mode in that case.

The "parallel mode" in BW actually works more like the "tied texts" in Acc. (See screenshot for parallel view in BW below).

 

As you said, if the search text doesn't have Rev 12:18, it will not display Rev 12:18. But the problem still exist even after I have added Rev 12:18 in the imported user Bible? (I'm a little bit confused on this).

Accordance treats the added Rev 12:18 as Rev 13:1 in NET, and then added Rev 12:18 of NET in the end of Revelation after Rev 22:21.

 

Thanks,

Martin