Occurrence of סַף in CDCH

[Martin Z]

CDCH says that סַף II occurs 30 times.

I search in Accordance, it occurs 25 times. סַף I occurs 7 times, which is the same as CDCH.

סַף III occurs once.

 

Where does 30 in CDCH comes from?

[Ken Simpson]

Hi Martin, I suspect it’s because the lemmas a tagged differently by the developers of the Westminster Groves database, as distinct from David Clines’ group.

 

DCH has the same numbers as CDCH, and I haven’t had time to look at all the occurrences in DCH of סַף I

 

but in the case of סַף III, while Clines apparently classifies סִפַּ֛י as being from סַף III, WG takes it as it’s own lemma סִפַּי, and hence the difference in counts.

 

I will have a look at the סַף I occurrences if you wish in the morning

[Martin Z]

Hi Ken,

Thank you very much!

It is interesting, because usually DCH will refer to סִפַּי in the end of entry of סַף III in this case, as it does refer to סַף III in the end of the entry of סַף.

 

Please check. I do not have DCH.

 

[Edit: incorrect information. deleted]

Blessings,

Martin

Edited December 8, 2014 by martinacc

[Ken Simpson]

OK - this is tedious, but a couple of notes...

a number of times in CDH Clines says

 

object 1 K 750 2 K 1214 (both unless סַף basin).

make (into) Zc 122 (both unless סַף I basin).

be made 2 K 1214 (unless סַף I basin)

(Ex 12:22.22 [unless both סַף I basin]

So he is counting some of his סַף’s twice I think (while making the note that they could be one or the other)

Here are the entries for סַף if you wish to take it further

סַף I 7.0.1 n.m. basin (all [except 2 S 1728 Jericho 14.22] unless סַף threshold)—‏סָ֑ף‎; cstr. ‏סַף‎; pl. ‏סִפִּים‎ (‏סַפּוֹת‎, ‏סִפּוֹת‎); cstr. ‏סִפּוֹת—basin, dish, cup, household object (2 S 1728 [unless סַפָּה I coverlet, bedding or II woollen coverlet]), but oft. cultic (e.g. 1 K 750 2 K 1214), <SUBJ> עשׂה ni. be made 2 K 1214. <NOM CL> הַסִּפּוֹת . . . זָהָב סָגוּר the basins were . . . of pure gold 1 K 750. <OBJ> לקח take Jr 5219, נגשׁ hi. bring 2 S 1728 (unless סַפָּה I coverlet, bedding or II woollen coverlet), עשׂה make 1 K 750, שׂים set Zc 122. <CSTR> סַף־רַעַל basin of reeling Zc 122, סַף חֲמָתְךָ cup of your wrath Hb 215 (if em.; see Prep.), סִפּוֹת כֶּסֶף basins of silver 2 K 1214. <APP> כְּלִי vessel 1 K 750 2 K 1214.

 

[Vol. 6, p. 177]

 

<PREP> בְּ of place, in, inside Ex 1222.22, + שׁלח send Jericho 14.22 (שלחתי בסף I have sent in a basin; unless ‏כסף silver or ‏בספר in a letter); ‏מִן of direction, from (out of), + שׁקה hi. cause to drink Hb 215 (if em. הוֹי מַשְׁקֵה רֵעֵהוּ מְסַפֵּחַ חֲמָתְךָ appar. woe to the one who causes his neighbour to drink, causing [him] to share, i.e. ספח I attach, or pouring out, i.e. ספח II pour out, your anger to הוֹי מַשְׁקֵה רֵעֵהוּ מִסַּף חֲמָתְךָ woe to the one who causes his neighbour to drink from the cup of your anger).

 

<COLL> סַף + חֲצוֹצְרָה trumpet 2 K 1214, כְּלִי vessel 2 S 1728 (unless סַפָּה I coverlet, bedding or II woollen coverlet), כַּף ladle 1 K 750 Jr 5219, מְזַמֶּרֶת snuffer 1 K 750 2 K 1214, מִזְרָק basin 1 K 750 2 K 1214 Jr 5219, מַחְתָּה firepan 1 K 750 Jr 5219, מְנוֹרָה lampstand Jr 5219, מְנַקִּית bowl Jr 5219, סִיר pot Jr 5219, מִשְׁכָּב bed 2 S 1728 (unless סַפָּה I coverlet, bedding or II woollen coverlet).

 

סַף II 30.1.3 n.m. threshold—‏סָ֑ף‎; cstr. ‏סַף‎; sf. ‏סִפִּי‎ (Si ‏סיפי‎), ‏סִפָּם‎; pl. ‏סִפִּים‎—1. threshold, viewed from the inside of a building (as against מִפְתָּן threshold, viewed from outside),✱ of houses (Ex 1222.22 [unless both סַף I basin] Jg 1927 Zp 214), temple (Is 64 Ezk 406.6.7 4116.16 438.8 Am 91 1 C 922 2 C 37 11QT 369).

 

<SUBJ> עשׂה ni. be made 2 K 1214 (unless סַף I basin), רעשׁ shake Am 91. <NOM CL> הַסִּפּוֹת . . . זָהָב סָגוּר the thresholds were . . . of pure gold 1 K 750 (unless סַף I basin), סַף אֶחָד קָנֶה אֶחָד רֹחַב one threshold is one reed (in) breadth Ezk 406, קָנֶה אֶחָד...סַף הַשַּׁעַר the threshold of the gate is ... one reed Ezk 407, סָבִיב...הַסִּפִּים the thresholds were ... round about Ezk 4116. <OBJ> חפה pi. overlay 2 C 37, מדד measure Ezk 406.6, נתן place Ezk 438, עשׂה make 1 K 750, שׂים make (into) Zc 122 (both unless סַף I basin).

 

<CSTR> סַף־הַבַּיִת threshold of the house 1 K 1417, הַשַּׁעַר of the gate Ezk 406.7, ־רַעַל of reeling Zc 122, סִפּוֹת כֶּסֶף thresholds of silver 2 K 1214 (both unless סַף I basin); אַמּוֹת הַסִּפִּים posts of the threshold Is 64. <APP> בַּיִת house 2 C 37, כְּלִי object 1 K 750 2 K 1214 (both unless סַף basin). <ADJ> גָּדוֹל great 3QTr 212, אֶחָד one Ezk 406.

 

<PREP> בְּ of place, in, upon Ex 1222.22 (unless both סַף I basin) 1 C 922, + בוא come 1 K 1417, שׁיר pol. sing continuously Zp 214; introducing object, + שׁחק wear away Si 636 (ותשחוק בסיפי רגלך appar. and let your foot wear away my threshold; or em. ‏סיפי to סיפו his, i.e. wise man’s, threshold); מִן of direction, from 11QT 369; עַל upon Jg 1927; אֵת with, + נתן place Ezk 438; נֶגֶד in front of Ezk 4116; תַּחַת underneath 3QTr 212 122.

 

<COLL> סַף || חַלּוֹן window Zp 214, מְזוּזָה doorpost Ezk 438; + אַתִּיק ledge Ezk 4116, דֶּלֶת door 2 C 37, חַלּוֹן window Ezk 4116, קִיר wall 2 C 37, קוֹרָה beam 2 C 37.

 

2. in title ‘keeper(s) of the threshold(s)’, a. of class of priest in first temple (2 K 1210 224 234 2518||Jr 5224 Jr 354 2 C 349) and among returning exiles (1 C 919), appar. with same function in second temple period as שֹׁעֵר porter, <CSTR> שֹׁמֵר הַסַּף keeper of the threshold Jr 354, שֹׁמְרֵי keepers of 2 K 1210 224 234 2518||Jr 5224 2 C 349, שֹׁמְרֵי הַסִּפִּים keepers of the thresholds 1 C 919. <COLL> סַף || מָבוֹא entrance 1 C 919.

 

b. of palace guards in Persian court, <CSTR> שֹׁמְרֵי הַסַּף keepers of the threshold Est 221 62.

 

3. in title ‘porters of the thresholds’, appar. of class of Levite, <CSTR> שֹׁעֲרֵי הַסִּפִּים porters of the thresholds 2 C 234.

 

<SYN> §1 חַלּוֹן window, ‏מְזוּזָה doorpost; §2a מָבוֹא entrance.

 

→ ספף stand outside.

 

סַף III 2 pr.n.m. Saph—סִפַּי—Philistine warrior, <NOM CL> סַף אֲשֶׁר בִּילִדֵי הָרָפָה Saph who is among the descendants of Raphah 2 S 2118, סִפַּי מִילִדֵי הָרְפָאִים Saph of the descendants of the Rephaim 1 C 204. <OBJ> נכה hi. strike fatally 2 S 2118 1 C 204.

[Martin Z]

I see!

Thank you very much, Ken.

It is good that he makes notes for those ambiguous cases.

 

Blessings,

Martin

[Ken Simpson]

Just as a note, re the opening of references.

 

If you CMD (⌘) click any reference in a paragraph, all similar references in that paragraph will be opened.

 

i.e. ⌘-click a biblical ref, and all the biblical refs will open. If you ⌘-click a qumran ref, all the qumran refs will open. You shouldn’t need the extra modifiers.

[Martin Z]

Thank you, Ken.

I tried again, my ways did not work anymore. (I don't know why it worked.)

Yours is correct.

 

But is there a way to open the references for the whole entry rather than just a paragraph?

[Ken Simpson]

Not that I know, sadly,

 

You can open a string of references by clicking and dragging, provided you start the selection after the first letter of the first reference and release before the last digit of the final reference. But they must be a list.