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#21 davidmedina

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Posted 09 January 2014 - 12:27 PM

Hope that this clarify what my concerns are and what I mean when I say liberal vs conservative.

 

Is not a matter of labels or opinions. For me is a matter of honesty. The color of your eyeglasses will color what you see. 

 

What I define as liberal is someone that decide what they believe not based on what the Scripture (Sola Scripture) say but they impose upon the Scripture what they want to believe.

 

For example, take the feminists. Because they want certain things they will look into ways to interpret the Bible to fit their "theology", even if that means discard what the Bible say or try to fit a square peg into a round hole. I know that some fill say that that is a matter of opinion and that is precisely what I want to avoid. I want to know what the Bible says. Period. I want tools that help me find what the writers of the Bible as inspired by the Holy Spirit are telling me.

 

A Conservative I define as someone who believe in sola scripture and the Bible interpret itself and do not seek to impose on the Bible his or hers preconceived views and opinions (within their human limitations, of course). I am sure someone all tell me that conservatives too impose their views upon the Bible and I agree that is some cases that may be the case. But that is what I am trying to move beyond labels and into scholarly integrity and honesty. I want books that start with the premise that the Bible IS the word of God, inherent and inspired. Still, I don't mind reading book from people that do not believe as I do, but when I read them I know what I am reading. A "Bible Dictionary" is another matter as it comes with some expectations.

 

And before someone tells me, yes, I know that we are all imperfect and will always have some preconceived ideas when we study the Bible. Yes, that is true and that is why I mentioned honesty at the beginning. And to me that is my concerned about any resource and not just the AYBD. I don't mind someone telling me their opinion or view point but I want to be told that that is what it is and not that that is what the Bible says.


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Posted 09 January 2014 - 03:15 PM

Hey David,

 

  Nothing useful to say on the dictionaries themselves but a thought...any chance there is a library (university or seminary) nearby that has and would let you look at the thing in person ? I've done this in the past with a local seminary library for something I was interested in. I find online buying of books tricky because you cannot sample the text easily, something Amazon has evidently found out. Alas their AYBD listing does not provide Look Inside support for AYBD.

 

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Posted 09 January 2014 - 03:44 PM

AS long as David does't ask for hundreds of articles, I am more than willing to send him the articles he wants to examine before making a purchase.

 

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Posted 09 January 2014 - 05:28 PM

I had that choice and decided for the NIDB, for pretty much the following reasons, kind of in order.

 

NIDB a newer product, should be more up-to-date

NIDB cheaper

NIDB has more topics

Read a good review of the NIDB somewhere

AYBD alleged to be "liberal" (whatever that means, see above)



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Posted 09 January 2014 - 05:41 PM

Hi Daniel, unfortunately, no that I know. We do not have many significant libraries here.

 

Dan, thanks. Could I see the entry on Mark Gospel authorship? If you have the NIBD or may Alistar, could you include it to compare it? 

 

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Posted 09 January 2014 - 06:56 PM

I sent you the NIDB/AYBD on Gospel of Mark... hop it helps you decided which is best for you.



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Posted 10 January 2014 - 12:05 AM

Thanks


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Posted 10 January 2014 - 12:22 AM

Ok. After reviewing all the information and reviews and what you guys have said here and on other threads,  I have decided to go with the AYBD.

 

I think you guys are right and that it will be a good resource to not only go deeper but to understand different points of views to mine. What I noticed was that even in points that I may not agree with they are presented as what they are, alternative points of views. 

 

For example, when the AYBD discussed the authorship of Mark briefly mentions of the author opinion that the author of Mark could have been a man or a woman. The NIDB mentions it in a more subtle way, more apropos. I prefer the way the AYBD does it. 

 

The NIDB also look nice. But I think the AYBD will round of my dictionaries for the moment.

 

Thanks everyone.


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Posted 19 August 2014 - 02:57 AM

Thanks Dan.

 

That clarified it for me. I am in the same boat as Guntis. I am budgeting for my next purchase and trying to decide priorities. I was concerned that the AYBD could be too academic for what I need and was looking at options, specially already having the ISBE and IVP dictionaries to round off a good set of multi volume dictionaries that would compliment what I already have. Specially for background information on history, places, people and things.  It seems like the AYBD is the way to go as my first priority.

 

Thanks again. 

 

Hi David,

since the AYBD and NIBD are on sale right now...

Do you still feel the AYBD was a good complement to the ISBE and IVP, after 6 months usage?

 

I own ISBE and IVP and I love both, and I use both.

So I wonder if AYBD stands as a good addictional dictionary for - as you put it - history, people, places

 

ps. I personally use and love the Hermeneia commentary set, because is complements so much my view and understanding of passages. I disagree often with its exposition of Hermeneia, but it let me see other people's view. I wonder if AYBD can do the same job for me, in the dictionaries area.


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Posted 19 August 2014 - 07:21 AM

Hi, Everyone!

 

Do remember that AYBD is the university standard in the field of biblical studies. Those that do not consult it, do so at their own peril. Though I am a conservative, I often find its articles informative and thought-provoking. Beware of reading only the authors with which you expect to agree, as the result is that you will be unable to engage with anyone "on the other side of the [academic] tracks," so to speak.


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Posted 19 August 2014 - 07:55 AM

Totally agree with Dr. J.

I would say that in my experience so far, the AYBD perfectly round of the ISBE and IVP, specially if you want to go deeper and see other points of views. My favorite still the ISBE but I do use AYBD often. Although the language in the AYBD can be at times heavy and very academic for my particular needs, I am glad I got it.

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Posted 19 August 2014 - 10:45 AM

Hi, Everyone!

 

Do remember that AYBD is the university standard in the field of biblical studies. Those that do not consult it, do so at their own peril. Though I am a conservative, I often find its articles informative and thought-provoking. Beware of reading only the authors with which you expect to agree, as the result is that you will be unable to engage with anyone "on the other side of the [academic] tracks," so to speak.

 

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Posted 19 August 2014 - 01:01 PM

Anchor is likely going to remain my top choice for a long time because of the depth you find there... I have had discussions where people call it dated and NIDB is the only option for an up to date Dictionary. To me this is BULL. It is very true knowledge has increased and opinion have changed, but not that significantly in the past 2 decades. I remember when I was 19 I remember asking my pastor about commentaries. His only commentaries were Barclay's Daily study Bible and the original Interpreter's Bible. When I asked if found it dated. His response was something to the effect, the Bible hasn't changed much in the last 2000 years, I don't think he has changed much in the last 40 years. Despite his recommending of the IB I went with the Expositor's Bible Commentary because it was newer and more in line with my views at the time (ironically the pastor was exceptionally conservative). I have the IB in other software and find it valuable to reference, but for me NIB has so much more depth and is better composed. I am a fan of Abingdon's New Interpreter's series but to me their dictionary, nice as it is, seems a distant second place to Anchor. If you can afford it to supplement Anchor it is a good choice if for no reason than using NIDB as a go to dictionary and jumping to Anchor when you need more depth, but Anchor for me is essential. NIDB is likely only going to be an ideal choice if you want a concise view (some people do not want to be "overwhelmed" and want  a certain level of brevity. If this is you NIDB is a fine choice, but you have chosen a green salad above a hardy stew in my mind. Either can make a meal both are nutritious, a good meal may have both and in the end it may all be about your personal tastes.

 

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Posted 19 August 2014 - 07:31 PM

Dan,

 

Have you used the Zondervan Multi-volume Bible Dictionary?  If so how does it compare with the Anchor and NIBD.

 

I will probably go Anchor, as studying.  Just wanted an idea how they compare.

 

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Posted 19 August 2014 - 08:44 PM

I do not have the new edition but i have the original. I was not impressed with it at all. but I am sure it has it's fans too.

 

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Posted 19 August 2014 - 11:42 PM

I believe that Dan is correct.  Anchor is certainly the best Bible Dictionary available in English in terms of up- to- date academic scholarship. 


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Posted 20 August 2014 - 03:16 AM

Thanks Gordon,

 

Went to my library on campus and compared them.  Will go with Anchor


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