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#1 Abram K-J

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Posted 03 February 2014 - 11:17 PM

I think I'm about to bite the bullet and get the Accordance Q module. I know this is not the place to discuss theology, personal views, etc., so I'll not here elaborate on my skepticism about Q's actual existence, but I can see how the module would be helpful either way.

 

What I'm curious about is the possibility of a sort of Q for Q. If Jesus spoke Aramaic, then even whatever Greek source the Gospel writers used (to whatever extent they used sources) was already a translation of some kind.

 

It's a complicated issue, to be sure, but what I wonder if any of you know: has anyone attempted a reconstruction of all the words of Jesus in what they venture would have been the original Aramaic?

 

This is not an Accordance-specific question, but I don't know a smarter group of folks online to ask than the people on these forums. Also, if such a thing did exist, getting it in Accordance (tagged or not) would be awesome.


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Posted 04 February 2014 - 08:28 AM

Google "Aramaic retroversion." Many attempts have been made to reverse-translate Mark to a supposed Aramaic original. These are, of course, conjectural and often problematic.



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Posted 04 February 2014 - 01:38 PM

Peter--to be clear, I don't mean an entire book of the NT, just words that the Gospel writers have on the lips of Jesus. I have been able to find a few things online. I agree with your "conjectural and often problematic"--which is just how I see Q, but I also see the value in having it nearby for study, nonetheless.

 

If such retroverted set of Jesus' sayings exists, I don't think I'd necessarily want Accordance to divert current attention to it, but at some point it might be nice to have.


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Posted 01 April 2014 - 09:53 PM

This is an interesting subject to me as well. For example, at the transfiguration, which Aramaic word did Peter likely use? Here are the three Greek translations.

Matthew 17:4 κύριος
Mark 9:5 ῥαββί
Luke 9:33 ἐπιστάτης
All three authors quote Peter, but use different Greek titles.





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