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#1 HansK

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Posted 09 February 2014 - 02:39 PM

I'm currently studying the Construct Window (always did I search with the commands). After hearing Podcast #21 I entered this search:

 

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Mt 1.23 is missing in the results but should come up with this search.

 

What am I missing here?

 

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#2 Daniel Semler

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Posted 09 February 2014 - 04:15 PM

Hi Hans,

 

  I played with this a bit. Its a bit odd. If you drop the INTER and increase to WITHIN to 3 you get Matt 1:23. The question is why. I had a theory but I think its all wet now. I also don't know why the INTER has to be dropped either, though with WITHIN 1 it seems redundant to me.

 

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Edited by Daniel Semler, 09 February 2014 - 04:15 PM.

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#3 HansK

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Posted 09 February 2014 - 04:48 PM

Hello Daniel,

 

Thank you for looking into this issue. Please see the video I referred to. WITHIN 1 is essential here.

 

The text I used is GNT28-T and NT27-T.

 

I tried to change the Range, but that does not change the result. IMHO, Mt 1.23 should come up as a result.

 

I tried the GNT-BYZ and this text has Mt 1.23 :-)

 

Perhaps the text of GNT28-T and NT27-T (and more texts I believe) is not tagged correctly here.


Edited by HansK, 09 February 2014 - 04:50 PM.


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Posted 09 February 2014 - 05:53 PM

Hi Hans,

 

  Yep I agree that Matt 1:23 should be there. I tried GNT-T which is the 27 variant - doesn't show. GNT-WH does show it. So does Tischendorf. So yep it looks like issue with GNT*-T. It may be the way the participle is tagged. In the GNT*-T you'll see its got a pair of tags, whereas WH and TIS do not. I don't have BYZ so cannot check it. GNT-TR works also and again only one tagged form.

 

GNT28-T :

 

μεθερμηνευόμενον μεθερμηνεύω    (μετά, ἑρμηνεύω)   Verb pres mid part neut sing nom  
μεθερμηνευόμενον μεθερμηνεύω    (μετά, ἑρμηνεύω)   Verb pres pass part neut sing nom  to translate, interpret (Predicate)

[ESVS] G3177  means

 

GNT-TIS:

 

μεθερμηνευόμενον μεθερμηνεύω    (μετά, ἑρμηνεύω)   Verb pres mid part neut sing nom  to translate, interpret

[ESVS] G3177  means

 

I have no idea how increasing WITHIN is compensating for this, if this is the issue.

 

OK there is a similar case in Matt 1:16 : Matt. 1:16 Ἰακὼβ δὲ ἐγέννησε τὸν Ἰωσὴφ τὸν ἄνδρα Μαρίας, ἐξ ἧς ἐγεννήθη Ἰησοῦς ὁ λεγόμενος Χριστός.

 

λεγόμενος is doubly tagged. If you change the search for LEX to Ἰησοῦς and increase the WITHIN to 3 it fails. Only if you remove the INTER and increase the WITHIN to 5 do you get 1:16 in the hits.

 

This looks like a bug with multiply tagged words to me.

 

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Posted 10 February 2014 - 06:16 AM

We are aware of this issue. It's on our list to improve the handling of variants and punctuation with the WITHIN command.


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#6 Daniel Semler

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Posted 10 February 2014 - 09:52 AM

Thanx Helen - good to know.

 

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Posted 10 February 2014 - 10:46 AM

Hi Helen,

 

OK, thanks for the info. The WITHIN command is working for GNT-BYZ and others here, isn't this a tagging problem?

Well, I hope this is repaired. I did sleep well this night  :rolleyes:






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