Jump to content


Photo

1873 Oxford TR vs Stepanus 1550 TR


  • Please log in to reply
4 replies to this topic

#1 Julie Falling

Julie Falling

    Platinum

  • Active Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,266 posts
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:Tennessee
  • Interests:Numerous!
  • Accordance Version:10.x

Posted 20 April 2014 - 04:02 PM

@ 1Tim 1:4 — The CNTTS apparatus says οιδονομιαν οικονομιαν is supported by the TR (Oxford).  The Stepanus 1550 we have in Accordance has οικοδομιαν.  Is this an error in the CNTTS, or do the two versions of the TR read differently here?

 

Thanks


Edited by Julie Falling, 09 May 2014 - 10:25 PM.

Julia Falling

 

Accordance 

MacBook Air Yosemite

mid-2013 1.7 GHz Intel Core i7 (2 cores)

8 GB RAM; 512 G SSD

 

Mac mini Yosemite

late-2012 2.3GHz Intel Core i7 (4 cores)

16 GB RAM; 1.12  TB Fusion Drive

 

iPad Air 1 iOS 8.1

64 GB

 

 

 

 


#2 Ken Simpson

Ken Simpson

    Platinum

  • Accordance
  • 1,601 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Sydney, Australia
  • Interests:Astronomy
    Archaeology
    Physics
    Hebrew and Greek
    Papyrology
    Orthopædic Surgery
  • Accordance Version:10.x

Posted 20 April 2014 - 06:41 PM

Where Julie? I can't find the word οιδονομιαν anywhere, am I right in assuming you mean οικονομιαν? If that's the case, then we are talking about 1Tim 1:4 (note 24)..correct?

 

Metzger doesn't note it does he...

 

1.4  οἰκονομίαν {A}

 

The Western οἰκοδομήν (D* syrp, hmg) is the easier reading, but οἰκονομίαν, supported by the overwhelming weight of witnesses, gives a deeper meaning.

 

The 1894 Scrivener's TR has οικοδομιαν and the Stephanus at bibledatabase has οικονομιαν

 

So it seems like 2 readings...

 

Someone with more LXX knowhow than me will need to comment now.


Edited by Ken Simpson, 20 April 2014 - 06:59 PM.

Regards
Ken
Lead Australian Accordance Demonstrator

Administrator, Accordance Exchange

Assistant Minister, Summer Hill Church


#3 Julie Falling

Julie Falling

    Platinum

  • Active Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,266 posts
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:Tennessee
  • Interests:Numerous!
  • Accordance Version:10.x

Posted 20 April 2014 - 08:02 PM

Ken – Sorry for the confusion caused by the mistake in my post.  The Stephanus TR reads οικοδομιαν; both the GNT28th and the GNT-Byz read οικονομιαν.  I think the various TR's must read differently.  And there was more than one version published by Stephanus, as well.

 

Here's a shot of the pertinent part of the CNTTS.

 

Attached File  CNTTS.jpg   33.56KB   0 downloads

 

The Oxford TR (I don't have one) is the edition used for the CNTTS.  Perhaps it agrees with the GNT-Byz instead of Stephanus.

 

The NA28th Apparatus has both οικοδομ* variants.  Obviously, neither is well supported.  I was just wondering why the TR I have in Accordance and the TR used by CNTTS did not agree about the reading.  Probably because the two really TR's don't agree?

 

Attached File  NA28th.jpg   20.01KB   0 downloads

 

Thanks.


Edited by Julie Falling, 20 April 2014 - 08:11 PM.

Julia Falling

 

Accordance 

MacBook Air Yosemite

mid-2013 1.7 GHz Intel Core i7 (2 cores)

8 GB RAM; 512 G SSD

 

Mac mini Yosemite

late-2012 2.3GHz Intel Core i7 (4 cores)

16 GB RAM; 1.12  TB Fusion Drive

 

iPad Air 1 iOS 8.1

64 GB

 

 

 

 


#4 Jonathan C. Borland

Jonathan C. Borland

    Silver

  • Active Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 195 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Accordance Version:10.x

Posted 09 May 2014 - 06:07 PM

FWIW, I just checked Stephanus' 1550 ed. and can verify that he prints οικονομιαν while Scrivener's 1894 ed. has οικοδομιαν in the text (only due to the KJV's following Beza and the Elzevir here by rendering that word with "edifying") but Stephanus' proper reading οικονομιαν in the apparatus.
  • Ken Simpson likes this

#5 Julie Falling

Julie Falling

    Platinum

  • Active Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,266 posts
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:Tennessee
  • Interests:Numerous!
  • Accordance Version:10.x

Posted 09 May 2014 - 10:27 PM

Thanks for checking it out for me, Jonathan.  There really were multiple versions of the TR, just like we suspected.  Well, it's nice to have the questions answered.  I'll put it in my User Notes.

 

EDIT:  In the About This Text for the Accordance TR, it says, "adjusted against the text of “The Greek New Testament: The Greek Text Underlying the English Authorised Version of 1611,” published by the Trinitarian Bible Society."  So Stephanus' TR was adjusted to agree with the original KJV.


Edited by Julie Falling, 09 May 2014 - 10:46 PM.

Julia Falling

 

Accordance 

MacBook Air Yosemite

mid-2013 1.7 GHz Intel Core i7 (2 cores)

8 GB RAM; 512 G SSD

 

Mac mini Yosemite

late-2012 2.3GHz Intel Core i7 (4 cores)

16 GB RAM; 1.12  TB Fusion Drive

 

iPad Air 1 iOS 8.1

64 GB

 

 

 

 





0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users