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#1 Nathan Parker

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Posted 03 June 2014 - 09:25 PM

I'm trying to re-create my Logos syntax searches as Accordance Greek Constructs so that I can do more searching in Accordance (trying to move a lot of my searching to Accordance since it's so much faster). Here's the last one I need to convert. Can someone walk me through how I'd re-build this using an Accordance Greek Construct? I do have the Greek Syntax module installed, so I can include that data in my search.

 

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Posted 03 June 2014 - 10:36 PM

Hmmmm.... OK, I don't know very much at all about Logos nor about the OpenText syntax model. I also do not know what results you ended up with. But for no better reason than waiting for a Handbrake pass to complete I tried this. I read your Logos construct as searching for complements containing θεος not preceded by the article and where the verb was not ειμι. If that's even vaguely correct here is what I came up with. It got 175 hits include Jn 10:3 when run against GNT28-T.

 

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Is this even vaguely close to what you want ?

 

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Posted 04 June 2014 - 01:29 PM

Hi Dan! Thanks for posting this! I'm running the search in Logos right now to see if the results compare to yours, and if they do, I'll get to work building the construct in Accordance. I'm still waiting (and waiting, and did I mention waiting?) for the search to complete in Logos. :-)

 

I also have access to the OpenText Glossary and can post any of the definitions here if you need to reference them, as well as can explain their syntax model. I practically memorized the OpenText glossary when beginning to work with it. Although using Accordance to build the construct in the first place would have been easier. :-)


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Posted 04 June 2014 - 01:56 PM

Ahhh! I just ran it in Logos and got no results? Something's probably wrong with my syntax search. Let me correct it on my end, and once I start getting results, I'll re-post the corrected search to see what needs to be done on the Accordance side.

 

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Posted 04 June 2014 - 04:08 PM

Nathan, it might also help if you explain the nature of the search you are trying to run.  Simply posting a picture of the Logos search isn't always helpful, as many of us here are not familiar with their interface or construction principles.


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Posted 04 June 2014 - 04:28 PM

Another thing I'd meant to suggest is have a look at http://www.accordanc...with Syntax.pdf to get a feel for how Acc does syntax.

 

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Posted 04 June 2014 - 06:19 PM

Thanks for the replies. This was an older syntax search I did a while back ago when learning the syntax search engine, so I'm trying to refresh my mind on what I was searching for. :-)

 

Reading from the bottom to the top, here's what I see:

 

Theos as a Singular Noun

 

Not Preceded by an Article (that's the Modifier/Specifier)

 

I don't think you need the Word Group or Head Term

 

It's specifying the type of Clause as a Complement (Direct Object or Indirect Object, etc)

 

Anything in between

 

I'm trying to figure out what that other Lemma is doing in the search and why it's marked to exclude in the search

 

It's marked its type of Clause as a Predicator (verb section of the Clause).

 

Thanks for the Syntax article as well. I've got it on my iPad and hoping to read it soon.

 

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Posted 04 June 2014 - 10:29 PM

This search took about .25 seconds (just eyeballing it):

θεος@[COMPLEMENT] <NOT> <PRECEDED BY> <WITHIN 3 Words> ο

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Posted 05 June 2014 - 10:20 PM

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Posted 05 June 2014 - 10:46 PM

This search took about .25 seconds (just eyeballing it):

θεος@[COMPLEMENT] <NOT> <PRECEDED BY> <WITHIN 3 Words> ο

Thanks for the info! So I could probably just throw this in and not even need a graphical construct? That seems pretty simple.

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Posted 06 June 2014 - 12:01 AM

Yep that's right. The construct window sometimes makes it easier, and they can do some things you otherwise can't do. But this will prob work for what you want

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Posted 06 June 2014 - 03:53 PM

Excellent. Thanks everyone for your help! I went ahead and saved a workspace of it complete with the Syntax graphs, etc., inline. Ken, if you're interested in it, let me know and I'll send you the file for the Exchange.


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Posted 06 June 2014 - 05:43 PM

Sure - in the middle of a minor dissertation submission so won't get to it for a few days, but send it in please!


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Posted 06 June 2014 - 10:56 PM

Will do. Thanks!


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Posted 07 June 2014 - 01:23 PM

The problem is the <WITHIN 3 Words> which is an arbitrary number I threw up there to be quick about it. Actual research would have to extend that and look case by case, or use the construct window. You should make it not preceded by a form of ο or of an article that agreed with θεος in case and number and gender.


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Posted 08 June 2014 - 08:51 PM

Sounds good. I'll play around with it. :-)


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