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#1 Abram K-J

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Posted 29 June 2014 - 09:44 PM

...would be nice.... It is in the public domain, I believe, and freely available. Of course, if an ambitious user wanted to make it into a User Tool for the Exchange.... :)


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Posted 29 June 2014 - 11:11 PM

I can't find an etext, apart from PDF, which preserves the Greek nicely, or the Hebrew for that matter. And the PDF looks like images which means multi-lingual OCR. I'll have to poke about more. And the CCEL one is not for disassembly without permission but its a nice readable download.

 

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Posted 30 June 2014 - 09:03 AM

If you were to contact CCEL about their license and dissemination as a free User Tool, you could grab the source of their html version. It's unicode so the greek and hebrew would be preserved (as opposed to the plain text version) and because it's html you'd be able to import it pretty easily. Though, as I'm looking at it now, there would be some clean up you would need to do.

 

Anyway, it sounds like a great project for you guys. You know, with all that free time you have. ;)


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Posted 30 June 2014 - 09:23 AM

This is probably worth looking into. The PDF is really quite nice, having lots of internal links and such. I missed the HTML version. I'll have to look again.

 

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Posted 30 June 2014 - 10:02 AM

Thanks, guys. Graham, I thought we were the ones that were supposed to be recommending projects for other people to take on! :)

 

Daniel, will you let me know what you find/think if and as you look into it further?


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Posted 30 June 2014 - 10:05 AM

It's not so much that they have the html version available for download as much as you could save each page (do the printer-friendly version in order to remove all the header/link items). To get the html info.

 

Though, you could also try an html/xml export from the pdf file…


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Posted 30 June 2014 - 10:12 AM

HTML export from pdf (I cannot speak to how clean it is, but whatever the case is Acrobat X's fault… ;) ): https://dl.dropboxus...OT in Greek.zip

 

You're welcome.


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Posted 30 June 2014 - 10:19 AM

Dude. Three cheers and a drink of choice for you, Graham!


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Posted 30 June 2014 - 10:31 AM

Just make a weekend trip to Maine and I'll take you up on it. :D


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Posted 30 June 2014 - 10:36 AM

I do love Maine! "God's Country," indeed.


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Posted 30 June 2014 - 11:02 AM

Abram, let me try a sample conversion and see if it looks at all promising and what the issues might be. (Inevitably, there will be some, he said optimistically :))

 

Graham, thanx for the converted PDF. I'll check it out.

 

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Posted 30 June 2014 - 02:18 PM

Hmmm... I import to a User Tool from the .html file, but the Greek doesn't show up well... is that just part of the deal with pdf to html conversions?


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Posted 30 June 2014 - 02:47 PM

How is yours showing up? I just looked at the source and we've got a few things going on. First, the Acrobat html output is garbage. It'll get you in the ballpark, sure, but we've got paragraph breaks where there ought to be soft line breaks. You could regex the the junk out of it and try and clean that up, but that's a deal breaker for me.

 

If you copy/paste the source from the website you'll run into issues like this: Attached File  Screen Shot 2014-06-30 at 15.19.20.png   389.15KB   0 downloads

 

That error that is highlighted is caused by this page marker tag in the source: Attached File  Screen Shot 2014-06-30 at 15.21.06.png   74.63KB   0 downloads

 

And also, the tagging for footnotes is ignored in the User Tool editor so that you have the superscript for the footnote and then the text of the note immediately following.

 

I know how I would go about handling these, but I'm not sure that the User Tool editor functionality can do it the way I would.


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Posted 30 June 2014 - 03:19 PM

This is the sort of stuff I was concerned would be required. Not sure how big a deal it is. I have written pre-processing scripts for such stuff before. Looks like more of the same.

 

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Posted 30 June 2014 - 03:56 PM

Wow--mine looks like this. Did I do something wrong? I just imported a New User Tool from the .html file, Graham.

 

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Since you're this far... want to just make it into a sell-able module? :)

 

I'm kidding--mostly. Thanks for your help (and, Daniel, for yours) in getting going on this.


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Posted 30 June 2014 - 04:10 PM

File converters so far as I've been able to tell, have trouble preserving multiple languages in the output file, or don't attempt to. So you end up with everything encoded in one language, which results in a dodgey output like this. But I will have to look at the file tonight and see, but if you load Graham's HTML file into a browser what do you see in that file at this point in the text ?

 

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Posted 30 June 2014 - 04:17 PM

It looks much better in Safari:

 

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Posted 30 June 2014 - 04:18 PM

Abram, how did you import the tool?

 

Oh, and which did you use? My pdf export? or the html source grabbed from the CCEL website?


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Posted 30 June 2014 - 04:21 PM

I used the html file. I imported from File/User Files/Import User Tool, then import from html. Is there another way I should be doing it?


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Posted 30 June 2014 - 04:24 PM

It's a program version issue. I was using the latest beta. When I just attempted it the latest standard update I got the same result you did.


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