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#1 David42

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 06:31 PM

Hello,

 

I've been able to search for verbs WITH attached object suffixes (I learned how after finding a discussion in this forum.  Thanks!).  That seems to work very smoothly for me:

(reverse of Hebrew order here, with [RANGE gen] <AND> used only to reduce the scope.  I have the same problem regardless of RANGE.)

[RANGE gen] <AND> [VERB] [SUFFIX]

 

I have trouble, though, searching for verbs WITHOUT attached suffixes.  I've tried the following:

[RANGE gen] <AND> [VERB] <NOT> <FOLLOWED BY> [SUFFIX]

which doesn't produce the desired results.  It removes Gen 1:11 and Gen 1:12 due to (I think) the words lemino and lemineihu (later in the verses) having suffixes, whereas I only want to eliminate VERBS that have suffixes themselves.

 

I've also tried variations of <WITHIN> in various positions, without any luck.

 

I feel I must be missing something, and could really use some help with this. Thank you!

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David



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Posted 02 July 2014 - 07:01 PM

Hi David, try this

 

[SUFFIX]-@[VERB]

 

What this is saying is that I want any verb that does not have a suffix (hence the minus sign before the [SUFFIX] tag). The @ symbol attaches the condition to the previous term. The <AND> operator means it looks for the two conditions to be met in the same scope (verse, clause, chapter, book - whatever is set in your scope drop down - verse is default)


Edited by Ken Simpson, 02 July 2014 - 07:13 PM.

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 07:09 PM

Thank you!  Much appreciated.



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Posted 02 July 2014 - 07:12 PM

No problems. Glad to help


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Posted 02 July 2014 - 07:29 PM

Thank you, Ken, for your first response.

 

Alas, I seem to still have a problem, which I didn't see the first time I tried it:

with the suggested search (as it appears in the box, this time)

[SUFFIX] -@ [VERB]   

 

I still have results with suffixes, such as Gen 12:2 (avarekhKHA) and 12:3 (mevarekheKHA and umqallelKHA).

 

Those are representative cases, but I see several more verbs like them (3:11, 3:13, 5:2, 5:4-30 with many cases of holidO, 5:29, 6:7) in a variety of forms.

 

Am I doing something wrong? If there's a problem with the text (I'm using 8.4.7 and the text is BHS-W4 4.14), I'd be happy to know if newer versions work as expected, or if there's a different search that  should try.

 

Many thanks to all,

David



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Posted 03 July 2014 - 12:14 AM

You should not use the @ since Accordance treats the suffix as a separate word, so technically no verb has a suffix in its tag.

 

You need <NOT> <Followed by><WITHIN 1 word>, but it’s much easier to use a construct.

 

Attached File  VerbNoSuffix.png   32.42KB   0 downloads

 

And of course you should upgrade to Accordance 10 and the latest HMT-W4. Why stay in the dark ages?


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Posted 03 July 2014 - 03:33 AM

Of course - I forgot that Accordance treats the suffix as a separate word.

 

Sorry for the misdirection  David


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Posted 03 July 2014 - 07:15 AM

Thank You Helen!






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