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#21 Abram K-J

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Posted 16 July 2014 - 08:38 AM

Yes, I almost always am, too, Tim (willing to pay a bit more for it). That will be even more true (sorry, couldn't resist) once arbitrary text selection and (perhaps?) more swipe gestures are implemented in iAccord! :)

 

And, ironically enough (back to the WBC), Accordance is actually offering it for 99 cents cheaper than Olive Tree is right now. The multi-field tagging definitely makes it more robust in Accordance, especially given how often I actually do search the WBC by Greek or by Hebrew or by Reference or by (etc.) ....


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Posted 16 July 2014 - 12:37 PM

For my exegesis, I generally prefer WBC to NICNT and NICOT. If it's a choice between the former and the two latter, I'd recommend WBC.

 

As far as pricing goes, ask anyone who has been in the military what the results are of "lowest-bidder" purchases. I have no desire to participate in a "race to the bottom" for my biblical studies purchases. It's not like "an apple is an apple is an apple," no matter how it's labeled.

 

Bible software companies all get the same content from publishers. It's what they do with it that distinguishes one from the other.  That why I used Accordance for all that time (14 years) before I officially joined the the team. Their pre-indexed resources, multi-field tagging, and seamless integration, translate into real world differences in quality, speed, reliability, and usefulness. I'm willing to pay a bit more for it.

 

I'm not alone, either, check out the testimonials and various interviews with world-class scholars on our facebook page.

 

 

@Timothy: Could you share a bit on why you prefer WBC to NICNT/OT?
I'm looking for a more technical commentary that goes deeper into the original languages.
On Proverbs (Murphy) for example some Amazon Reviewers say that its great scholarship but a disappointing commentary:
http://www.amazon.co...entary proverbs
I'm not sure if it's just that the quality varies between books or if that is generally the case.
Some of the WBC books are top rated on bestcommentaries.com (not sure how much that says) and maybe buying those separatly would be more expensive that the current offer... 


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Posted 16 July 2014 - 12:54 PM

Sure, Enoch, happy to do so, so long as everyone realizes this is only my personal opinion. Commentary preferences vary widely from individual to individual. Also, I can only provide an overall impression of these as commentary series, since each set has individual volumes that simply shine.

 

The NICOT/NT commentaries have been my "default" commentaries for many years. In fact, they are still the standard by which I compare other commentaries. They are solid, trustworthy, and generally take the "scholarly consensus" position on most issues. Most of them have been around quite a while now and, that said, some of them are getting a bit dated.

 

The WBC OT/NT commentaries are generally newer, which allows them to take advantage of recent advances in scholarship. They are also a bit more technical than the NICOT/NT (which means they devote more attention to the original languages and their grammar). I like both of those things. Like the NICOT/NT, the authors in this series generally take commonly accepted positions.


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Posted 16 July 2014 - 12:59 PM

Enoch Elijah: amen/+1 to what Tim said about WBC being more technical and original language-oriented.

 

Also wanted to say: I've found Best Commentaries a reliable guide, largely because it aggregates reviews from so many sources.


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Posted 16 July 2014 - 01:58 PM

Hey folks: that's Elijah asking, not Enoch.

 

Another +1 to WBC generally being more technical. I only have a couple of NICNT volumes, but there are other series (Pillar) that seem somewhat comparable to the NICNT, while there's nothing else in my library that handles the technical stuff in quite the same way as the WBC.

 

As far as the overall quality of the commentary, it does depend on the individual volumes. In addition to Bestcommentaries.com, I have benefitted from commentary guides by Keith Mathison, who holds a similarly conservative theological perspective. (http://www.ligonier....ok-of-proverbs/) Before buying the WBC, I scoured the reviews for the various books and concluded that there were enough great volumes in the WBC that it would be cheaper to buy the whole series in Accordance than to buy the select volumes individually. The highly reviewed volumes have indeed been good, but as it turns out, I've gotten at least some benefit even from the lowest-reviewed WBC volumes and am glad to have the whole series.


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Posted 16 July 2014 - 02:03 PM

Hey folks: that's Elijah asking, not Enoch.

 

Oops! Sorry, Elijah! Correction made. This old-school OT name (Abram) got the other two (Enoch and Elijah) confused!

 

Another +1 to WBC generally being more technical. I only have a couple of NICNT volumes, but there are other series (Pillar) that seem somewhat comparable to the NICNT, while there's nothing else in my library that handles the technical stuff in quite the same way as the WBC.

 

It does seem like in the commentary world in general there are more technical or semi-technical volumes for the Greek NT. This is another reason I like the WBC, as Jonathan said--it gives me something technical for both the OT and the NT, the former of which I don't have much else on.


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Posted 17 July 2014 - 12:12 PM

Me, too. Sorry, Elijah!


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Posted 17 July 2014 - 12:38 PM

If the company offering this WBC series has offered it to both OliveTree and Accordance, I haven't yet seen an explanation as to why the olivetree set has  60 volumes and the Accordance set has only 58 volumes.  Can someone explain this please?


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Posted 17 July 2014 - 12:55 PM

It might have gotten buried in this growing thread, but Rick responded here.

 

As someone who has used both Olive Tree and Accordance, I would guess that Olive Tree can take the same etext Accordance has received from a publisher and turn it into an OT module more quickly, since OT does less "tagging," etc. in their modules. They both do hyperlinking throughout, but Accordance, by contrast, tags the module so that it's searchable using different fields (Greek, Hebrew, manuscripts, etc.).

 

Rick or someone else can correct me if I'm wrong, but my hunch is that in terms of sheer hours, it just takes longer to turn the same commentary into an Accordance-ready module vs. an Olive Tree one.


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Posted 17 July 2014 - 01:10 PM

Is there any other commentary series than WBC that goes into similar or even more depth in regard to the text in the original language?


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Posted 17 July 2014 - 01:18 PM

Elijah: for the New Testament, there is the New International Greek Testament Commentary (NIGTC), as well as Baker Exegetical Commentary on the New Testament (BECNT) that go in-depth with Greek.

 

For the Old Testament, the New American Commentary (NAC) volumes I've used have a lot of Hebrew explanation in the footnotes, even though those volumes are based on the English NIV translation. Hermeneia and the International Critical Commentary (ICC, and the only one mentioned so far that is not in Accordance) do some heavy lifting with Hebrew.

 

Zondervan has just started a new series--the Obadiah volume has excellent word and literary context studies using Hebrew.

 

Curious to hear what others use, too, especially for OT--it does seem like commentaries on the Greek of the NT are easier to find than commentaries on the Hebrew of the OT... or maybe I'm just not looking in all the right places.


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Posted 17 July 2014 - 01:20 PM

Abram,

I guess I really don't understand Rick's response.  Problems withe publisher??  I don't get it.


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Posted 17 July 2014 - 01:23 PM

Abram, 

I can understand if it takes longer at Accordance to prepare the text.  But these two volumes are available but just not included at all.  Why doesn' accordance just say that these volumes will be forthcoming to anyone who buys the set, similar to the Anchor Yale series (btw, I am still waiting for the rest of OT volumes)


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Posted 17 July 2014 - 01:27 PM

Elijah: 

The JPS commentary series on the Five Books of Moses is top notch scholarship regarding original languages.  Also, I highly recommend the Yale Anchor series. In addition, the NET Bible and its notes are superb when it comes to orginal language and a lot cheaper than any of the commentary sets.


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Posted 17 July 2014 - 02:58 PM

Abram, 
I can understand if it takes longer at Accordance to prepare the text.  But these two volumes are available but just not included at all.  Why doesn' accordance just say that these volumes will be forthcoming to anyone who buys the set, similar to the Anchor Yale series (btw, I am still waiting for the rest of OT volumes)


Apologies if my first response was not precise enough. We are working with the publisher to license the additional volumes, but this process takes time. They will not be included at the current price. Just because another platform sells something does not mean we have automatic rights to license it.

This is completely different from Anchor. We are selling the Anchor set as incomplete because we are in the process of developing the titles; it is not a matter of licensing. You are paying for all the advertised volumes, and a free update will be released that includes those volumes when complete. This was an alternative we chose so customers could begin using what is complete instead of having to wait until the entire series is finished being developed.

If you would still like further clarification, please feel free to contact customer service.

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Posted 17 July 2014 - 03:26 PM

Even when a company gets a WBC volume under contract, they are still at the mercy of the publisher to provide the text to work with. I have seen people complain in the Logos forums that Job volume 3 has been under contract since Jan 2012. And after many complaints they finally told us the publisher has not released the text to them.

 

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Posted 17 July 2014 - 03:35 PM

Even when a company gets a WBC volume under contract, they are still at the mercy of the publisher to provide the text to work with. I have seen people complain in the Logos forums that Job volume 3 has been under contract since Jan 2012. And after many complaints they finally told us the publisher has not released the text to them.

 

-Dan

 

Bizarre. This is a side of the publishing industry I don't understand. Doesn't the publisher also benefit from quickly getting etexts into the hands of companies like Oak Tree/Accordance, Logos, etc.?


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Posted 17 July 2014 - 04:47 PM

 

Bizarre. This is a side of the publishing industry I don't understand. Doesn't the publisher also benefit from quickly getting etexts into the hands of companies like Oak Tree/Accordance, Logos, etc.?

 

Yes and no. I think many publishers look at Digital editions something like paperbacks. If they release it too soon no one will buy the Hard Covers. I remember reading somewhere years ago, that one publisher would not even consider releasing it for digital publication till it had been out for 18 months, others have a bolder vision and are prepared for nearly simultaneous release in print and digital editions. I virtually never buy print editions of anything (I did by a print version of the Gospel Transformation Bible because I realized I did not own a hard copy of the ESV and it was offered at a super discounted price via email). I do long for the day when digital editions are offered up first, but then that may only be a pipe dream.

 

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Posted 17 July 2014 - 04:52 PM

Ah, yes, that makes sense, Dan.

 

Fortress Press for a while was offering CD-ROMs with print editions of books that had a searchable version of the same book in Libronix. That was really great for those of us who liked having both print and digital--I don't believe they are doing that anymore.

 

I'd love to see some publisher(s) partner with Accordance to offer the same kind of setup! (Print+digital combo.) But, you know, it's complicated on multiple levels (for both publisher and software company, I'd guess), so seems not likely to happen.


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Posted 18 July 2014 - 02:17 PM

I'm really tempted to take advantage of this deal, but with only 28 of the 30 volumes available and each volume priced at $54, that's an additional $108 to complete the library when Accordance finally issues the other two volumes (or more than 33% of the current price for the first 28 volumes).






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