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#1 Nathan Parker

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Posted 19 July 2014 - 09:47 PM

I'm going to try to use Mellel more for writing college papers, especially since I'm taking Hebrew this semester and need a word processor with better RTL support. I immersed myself in Mellel videos recently to better learn the program.

 

I see if interfaces well with Bookends for bibliographies. I've been using Zotero. Should I transition over to Bookends? Is it worth the extra investment?

 

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Posted 19 July 2014 - 11:58 PM

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I have no experience with Bookends but I have used Zotero and if you have all your bibliography info in Zotero and are pleased with it (I was), then I wouldn't think it would be worth the expense and angst of moving your info to Bookends. Just my 2c worth.


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Posted 21 July 2014 - 09:41 AM

I used Zotero in writing a ~20k word thesis (in Word for Mac) and found it sufficient. I've also used BookEnds and can say that it offers far more customization than Zotero; it's a polished commercial app. 


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Posted 22 July 2014 - 06:42 PM

Thanks for the info. Double-checking, Mellel doesn't seem to directly support Zotero, so I guess the question is how badly do I want my Bib manager integrated with the various word processors I use. :-)


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Posted 22 July 2014 - 09:27 PM

Thanks for the info. Double-checking, Mellel doesn't seem to directly support Zotero, so I guess the question is how badly do I want my Bib manager integrated with the various word processors I use. :-)

 

You can still copy and paste citations manually.


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Posted 22 July 2014 - 10:57 PM

True. I may just forgoe a Bib manager anyway and do all my citations manually. I didn't really even use the citation stuff in Zotero much either. Normally I pull up a TextEdit window and paste all my citations in, using Zotero to store links to online library articles I found. :-)


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Posted 22 July 2014 - 11:06 PM

Oh man, I couldn't live without a citation manager. Sente is my choice though Bookends is excellent. (please note I don't really mean I couldn't live...)


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Posted 23 July 2014 - 07:39 AM

For a smaller term paper or the likes, you might not need a citation manager software. You will of course need to keep track of the resources that you consult and engage (as any good researcher must), whether you take the older index card approach or using a software program manager like Bookends or Sente. I wrote many papers in college with the index method, as I read and learned much from (now) Booth, Colomb, Williams. I later digitized all my index cards and notes into a software manager. At first, I used Bookends with Mellel. I worked from these two software programs for years. My latest writing project was about 150 pages. I used Mellel and Sente, the latter due to its cloud storage and accompanying iPad app. Whatever you use—be it an index card system or software—I cannot stress enough the importance of good note taking habits and an efficient retrieval system. Think about it.


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Posted Today, 01:51 PM

Oh man, I couldn't live without a citation manager. Sente is my choice though Bookends is excellent. (please note I don't really mean I couldn't live...)

 

Does Sente interface well with Mellel? How much does it cost?


For a smaller term paper or the likes, you might not need a citation manager software. You will of course need to keep track of the resources that you consult and engage (as any good researcher must), whether you take the older index card approach or using a software program manager like Bookends or Sente. I wrote many papers in college with the index method, as I read and learned much from (now) Booth, Colomb, Williams. I later digitized all my index cards and notes into a software manager. At first, I used Bookends with Mellel. I worked from these two software programs for years. My latest writing project was about 150 pages. I used Mellel and Sente, the latter due to its cloud storage and accompanying iPad app. Whatever you use—be it an index card system or software—I cannot stress enough the importance of good note taking habits and an efficient retrieval system. Think about it.

 

Good stuff to think about!


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Posted Today, 01:55 PM

Sente interfaces directly to Mellel (you choose between Bookends and Mellel in the preferences).

 

Sente has a free version. If you want more than 100 references in a library (no restriction on the number of libraries), you do pay a fee of $59.99 (if you have an academic affiliation).

 

See http://www.thirdstre...enteForMac.html


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Posted Today, 02:09 PM

I used Bookends for a while with Nisus Writer, but switched over the Sente for my dissertation.  It was a great tool for a larger project, but is now working quite well for smaller articles and presentations.  I find the ability to keep PDFs, book and PDF notes, and citation info together in a single app is very productive for my research and writing workflow.  I also like the ability to use the Sente app on my iPad which stays synced with my laptop.

 

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Posted Today, 02:10 PM

Sente interfaces directly to Mellel (you choose between Bookends and Mellel in the preferences).

 

Sente has a free version. If you want more than 100 references in a library (no restriction on the number of libraries), you do pay a fee of $59.99 (if you have an academic affiliation).

 

See http://www.thirdstre...enteForMac.html

 

Excellent! I'll try out the free version first and see how I like it, then as I need more, I can upgrade to the full version. I do have an academic affiliation, so that'll work. Thanks a bunch!


I used Bookends for a while with Nisus Writer, but switched over the Sente for my dissertation.  It was a great tool for a larger project, but is now working quite well for smaller articles and presentations.  I find the ability to keep PDFs, book and PDF notes, and citation info together in a single app is very productive for my research and writing workflow.  I also like the ability to use the Sente app on my iPad which stays synced with my laptop.

 

Mike

 

Nice. I'll probably go straight to Sente. The iOS app syncing sounds appealing to me as well.


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