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#1 Nathan Parker

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Posted 04 August 2014 - 11:20 PM

This Student Version of the BHS is required for my Hebrew class:

 

http://lrsu.textbook...ourse_id=841297

 

The professor mentioned that it contains the BHS, TC notes, and Masorah M and P.

 

What Accordance module(s) do I need to "duplicate" this resource in Accordance format?

 

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Posted 05 August 2014 - 01:44 AM

You can add the BHS-T as an upgrade to the BHS-W4 or HMT-W4. This adds the sigla and the text-critical notes i.e. apparatus. The Masora is not included in etexts except in the few published fascicles of the BHQ. We do have an exciting, new, complete Masora Thesaurus although my guess is that you won't be needing it for quite a while. The BHS Guide included with the Original Language Collection is very helpful.


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Posted 05 August 2014 - 07:41 AM

Nathan, I agree with Helen. I can't imagine you'd need the Masorah in first-year Hebrew.


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Posted 05 August 2014 - 08:25 AM

The BHS-T does not contain the Qere, which are listed in the Masora. If you are reading sections in class, you will want to have access to the Masora. The Ketiv/Qere are very important for learning how to use the BHS, and I am sure you will be instructed on these. Personally, I would at least buy the paper back BHS. This will also remove any tendency for you to lean on the morph tagging in Accordance.



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Posted 05 August 2014 - 10:31 AM

James may be correct, but my memory of first year Hebrew is lots of memorization of vocabulary and grammar and very little actual reading. (Sigh) Your experience may be different. In either case, here's a nice explanation of the system.

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Posted 05 August 2014 - 01:29 PM

Ketiv/Qere are both included in the HMT-W4, so that's one of several reasons to start with that text and add BHS-T to it as an upgrade. (The other reasons: the tagging is updated more often, and the syntax syncs only with the HMT-W4.)


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Posted 05 August 2014 - 01:51 PM

Thanks everyone for the excellent info! Dr. J's PDF helped immensely as well!

 

It's true we won't be getting into the Masorah too deeply at first. We're going to dabble in the text first semester, then gradually use it more second semester, then plunge into it in the third semester.

 

I probably will pick up the printed copy of it for sure so I have the required text, then I may order a couple things in Accordance (such as the upgrade Helen suggested) and slowly graduate into more as I need it. 

 

I'll also try to caution myself when using Accordance to think more about the text and not lean too heavily on the interactive helps (so I truly learn it). I'm just trying to buy more eBooks and Accordance modules and fewer printed books in general since investing in Accordance gives me more bang for the buck for the future. :-)


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Posted 05 August 2014 - 03:30 PM

Nathan,

 

Another item you should consider is that HMT-W4 and BHS-T do not maintain the stichometric analysis that each textual scholar chose in the representation of the codex, as one would find in the print version. While the presentation of the consonants is a diplomatic edition, the format of those consonants are not always necessarily reflective of B19a (Leningrad Codex). As a student, the stichometric analysis will be important to you (especially once you expand into difference genres of the Hebrew Bible). What is more, I would find a PDF copy of the facsimile edition of BHS and consult it once you started reading a section of text.

 

I would only use the Accordance BHS or HMT as a tool for tracking down grammatical and syntactical questions.


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Posted 05 August 2014 - 08:38 PM

Ketiv/Qere are both included in the HMT-W4, so that's one of several reasons to start with that text and add BHS-T to it as an upgrade. (The other reasons: the tagging is updated more often, and the syntax syncs only with the HMT-W4.)

 

Where would I find those at in the HMT-W4? Can you post an example screenshot? Thanks!


Nathan,

 

Another item you should consider is that HMT-W4 and BHS-T do not maintain the stichometric analysis that each textual scholar chose in the representation of the codex, as one would find in the print version. While the presentation of the consonants is a diplomatic edition, the format of those consonants are not always necessarily reflective of B19a (Leningrad Codex). As a student, the stichometric analysis will be important to you (especially once you expand into difference genres of the Hebrew Bible). What is more, I would find a PDF copy of the facsimile edition of BHS and consult it once you started reading a section of text.

 

I would only use the Accordance BHS or HMT as a tool for tracking down grammatical and syntactical questions.

Good to know. Thanks for the info!


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Posted 06 August 2014 - 12:57 AM

 What is more, I would find a PDF copy of the facsimile edition of BHS and consult it once you started reading a section of text.

 

 

 

Hi James, do you mean a pdf of the Leningrad? or of BHS? I have not seen a facsimile of BHS. Leningrad, yes. And I agree very helpful.


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Posted 06 August 2014 - 08:06 AM

I wish we had images of the facsimilie of Leningrad MSS in Accordance, much like we have for many of the Greek MSS.


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Posted 06 August 2014 - 08:32 AM

+1 to that, Tim!


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Posted 06 August 2014 - 02:46 PM

Here is a PDF of black&white photos of B19a (the Leningrad Codex). They are not the hi-res colour photos retaken by the West Semitic Research Project for the facsimile edition published about 15 years ago, but they are still quite usable. If they are public domain (someone else can follow this up), then why couldn't they be incorporated into Accordance in some way?

 

http://www.seforimon...where_value=264

 

In other words, it'd be really, really nice if, while studying some passage of the Hebrew Bible, one could open up a photo of the page including that text as a parallel window. In my work on the Baylor handbooks, I've found myself double-checking things like the Ketiv-Qere and te'amim in the Leningrad PDF because I've learned not to trust BHS (or any other printed version) entirely.


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Posted 06 August 2014 - 02:50 PM

Prof. Holmstedt,

 

I spoke with Prof. Zuckerman at the recent West Coast Qumran Study group. He has agreed to other software programs using his photos, and I believe the Accordance folk are likewise in pursuit of West Semitic Research Project's hi-res photos. One can hope at least.



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Posted 06 August 2014 - 02:54 PM

James,

 

It would be very nice, since those photos are much, much better. But I will be surprised of the publisher allows the entirety of B19a to be licensed in an affordable digital module. We can always hope, though.


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Posted 06 August 2014 - 03:15 PM

Thank you for the link, Robert!

 

I agree that clear digital images in an affordable module would be a great help. Let's hope the licensing folks at Accordance can put the deal together.


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Posted 06 August 2014 - 06:38 PM

Tim, good critical reading. You caught the salient word in my response — affordable.


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Posted 06 August 2014 - 06:42 PM

Thanks for the link, Robert! I downloaded it and will give it a spin. I agree with you and Dr. J. about how great it'd be to have an affordable high res copy in Accordance. If Accordance can produce it, I'll sure purchase it!

 

Thanks everyone for all the additional info as well, and also thanks to Dr. J. for the mentoring and advice you've given me both here and in the webinars. It's been a huge help to prepare me for my journey into the Biblical languages!


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Posted 07 August 2014 - 11:10 AM

You're very welcome, Nathan. God bless!


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Posted 07 August 2014 - 11:36 AM

Thanks everyone for all the additional info as well, and also thanks to Dr. J. for the mentoring and advice you've given me both here and in the webinars. It's been a huge help to prepare me for my journey into the Biblical languages!

 

At the risk of giving unwanted advice, I'd also just add that it will be easier to know what resources to purchase once you've actually been learning the languages for about a year or so. It can be tempting to buy a bunch of stuff now to make sure you're ready, but it can also be fruitful to wait a year till you see how you're using languages, what resources professors recommend, etc.


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