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#21 Julie Falling

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Posted 18 December 2014 - 04:29 PM

The weird thing is, Ken, searching with @ - wasn't give the right results, either, and it gave me 85 hits instead of 78.  Both versions produced non-verbs.

 

When I created the window that got the correct results, I saved it.  That was the version that had the 3rd search as  [HITS Future Middle] <NOT>[HITS w/Fut active] @[VERB].  

 

I closed the window, did other things in Accordance, did other things around the house, then came back after lunch.

 

Want to hear about some real weirdness?  Now the 3rd search, done this way – [HITS Future Middle] <NOT>[HITS w/Fut active] –

     or this way – [HITS Future Middle] @ -[HITS w/Fut active] – give identical, correct results.  No more non-verbs.

 

 The final @[VERB] is no longer necessary.

 

None of the other search tabs were changed.  I didn't reboot.  I updated to Accordance 11.0.3 this morning.  I just checked it was after I posted.  I don't think I reran the searches afterwards until now.  Whatever was off seems to have been corrected.  Very, very strange.  Something was definitely wrong before.  I'm relieved it's OK now.

 


Edited by Julie Falling, 18 December 2014 - 04:30 PM.

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#22 Daniel Semler

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Posted 18 December 2014 - 04:38 PM

Ah - I wonder if this might be related to a HITS bug I filed on 11.0.2 : http://www.accordanc...showtopic=14580or the one it refers to http://www.accordanc...howtopic=14508.

 

Or perhaps the fix got both issues.

 

In any case glad it's behaving normally now.

 

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#23 Julie Falling

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Posted 18 December 2014 - 04:56 PM

Me, too.  I'm relieved that it looks like this bug was in the software and not in my brain.


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#24 Daniel Semler

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Posted 19 December 2014 - 12:15 AM

Ok so to return to the OP task.

 

I went on and added three more workspaces for other texts and a final Combined workspace. In the first 4 I got candidates from GNT28-T, Apostolic Fathers, Josephus, and Philo. Then the combined workspace finds that there are 5 candidates that all 4 agree on that occur in the GNT28-T.

 

        ἀνέχω    (ἀνά, ἔχω)    to lift, esteem, hinder, stop, bear, suffer, be patient = 15
        γινώσκω    to know, come to know, recognize = 222
        ἐπιγινώσκω    (ἐπί, γινώσκω)    to know; look upon, witness; recognize, decide = 44
        λαμβάνω    to take, receive, choose = 258
        φεύγω    to flee = 29
 

  Now this does not include examples where some of the four are silent but it should exclude one's that any one or more of them excludes.

  And φεύγω remains !! Thus likely the compound ἐκφεύγω follows the same morphology.

 

  Now honestly what I would really like to be able to do is construct a query across all four texts run as one. That should allow me to eliminate would-be candidates in one text because the future active is used in another text. I think I have a plot to do this with the existing 5 workspace session. How many cases that would eliminate I do not know. At present the combined list (made unique by removal of duplicates) contains 222 words. I have difficulty believing they are all true future deponents.

 

  For the curious who have been reading along here is a screenshot of one of the 4 workspaces that get the initial data, and the Combined WS that gets the common ones appearing in the GNT28-T :

 

Attached File  GNTWorkspace.JPG   158.09KB   1 downloads

 

Attached File  Combined.JPG   94.25KB   0 downloads

 

If I get my plot working to cross connect things I'll post again.

 

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#25 Enoch

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Posted 22 December 2014 - 10:22 AM

Daniel –

 

For what it's worth, I did a few searches.  First, for all NT verbs that are in future middle/deponent – there were 88 of them.  I took that list and and searched for the verbs among those that also had future actives.  That reduced the list by 10 verbs.  Finally, I searched those to find the ones that had present actives.  There were 23 of those.  Whether there is such a thing as a deponent or not (don't want to get into that debate), and recognizing that some of these are special cases (ἄρχω), you're left with 23 verbs that have middle but no active forms in the future, but do have active forms in the present.  That list is small enough that the words can be examined in lexicons.

 

Here they are:  

 

ἀναβαίνω

ἀποθνῄσκω

ἀπολαμβάνω

ἄρχω

γινώσκω

διαγινώσκω

διατάσσω

ἐμπίπτω

ἐπιγινώσκω

ἐσθίω

καταβαίνω

κατεσθίω

λαμβάνω

μεταβαίνω

ὁράω

παραλαμβάνω

παρασκευάζω

παρέχω

πίνω

πίπτω

τίκτω

φαίνω

φεύγω

 

EDIT:  There is a problem with that list.  It doesn't include the verbs whose lexical forms are active even if the present active does not occur in the NT.  Here's a modified, more inclusive list, 46 in all:  

 

αἱρέω

ἀναβαίνω

ἀνέχω

ἀντέχω

ἀποβαίνω

ἀποθνῄσκω

ἀποκόπτω

ἀπολαμβάνω

ἄρχω

ἀφίστημι

βουλεύω

γινώσκω

διαγινώσκω

διατάσσω

διατίθημι

εἰσακούω

ἐκδίδωμι

ἐκφεύγω

ἐμπίπτω

ἐνίστημι

ἐντέλλω

ἐξομολογέω

ἐπανίστημι

ἐπιγινώσκω

ἐσθίω

καταβαίνω

κατεσθίω

κομίζω

κόπτω

λαμβάνω

μεταβαίνω

μετακαλέω

ξυράω

ὁράω

παραλαμβάνω

παρασκευάζω

παρέχω

παύω

περιβάλλω

περιζώννυμι

πίνω

πίπτω

συλλαμβάνω

τίκτω

φαίνω

φεύγω

Wow, Julie!  Thanks for the work & post!






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