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#21 Ken Simpson

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Posted Yesterday, 04:19 PM

Love it - but what about the cuneiform?

 

(just a joke)

 

by the way, thanks for the explanation. Makes me want to learn it. One of my local colleges does a summer intro to Akkadian...


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Posted Yesterday, 06:14 PM

Love it - but what about the cuneiform?

 

(just a joke)

 

by the way, thanks for the explanation. Makes me want to learn it. One of my local colleges does a summer intro to Akkadian...

 

Ditto

D


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Posted Yesterday, 07:02 PM

Love it - but what about the cuneiform?

 

(just a joke)

 

by the way, thanks for the explanation. Makes me want to learn it. One of my local colleges does a summer intro to Akkadian...

 

 

Eh, I'll bite anyway - Have fun, Ken! Go see the attachment below  :)

 

 


 

Ditto

D

 

 

You both should definitely do it, if you have the time. It's loads of fun and a great challenge

 

With kind regards

 

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Posted Yesterday, 07:16 PM

Now, if you'd just said that in first place it would have been so much clearer ! :)

 

So the self-teach beginners grammar of Akkadian is called ? (I am only half kidding when I ask.)

 

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Posted Yesterday, 07:43 PM

Now, if you'd just said that in first place it would have been so much clearer ! :)

 

So the self-teach beginners grammar of Akkadian is called ? (I am only half kidding when I ask.)

 

Thx

D

 

 

Still, it's a very difficult question to answer. Akkadian was without a doubt the toughest language for me to learn, so having a teacher really helped me a lot, but it is doable to learn it by yourself.

 

Another problem is that there is no grammar out there that has it all - they all have their distinct problems.

 

A good starting grammar would be Kaspar Riemschneider's Lehrbuch des Akkadischen (also in English translation as Akkadian Grammar) due to the fact that it has many great exercises, but the layout and structures for the lessons are often confusing. Another problem is that it is rather outdated - but that doesn't matter for the exercises at least.

John Huehnergard's Akkadian Grammar is also a good choice (and quite new), but he focuses way too much on teaching cuneiform at the same time. You want to stay clear of it until you are familiar with the language. When you want to give cuneiform a go, this is a perfect grammar. It doesn't work well as a reference grammar, however - neither does Riemschneider's grammar.

 

The best reference grammar in English is Arthur Ungnad's Akkadian Grammar, translated by Harry Hoffner, while the best one in German is Wolfram von Soden's Grundriss der akkadischen Grammatik. Von Sodens grammar is more thorough, but Hoffner's grammar has superior paradigms, which alone makes it preferable.

 

To begin with, I would recommend that you get the translated versions of both Kaspar Riemchneider's and Arthur Ungnad's grammars and use them interchangeably. Read and learn all the lessons in Riemschneider and then use Ungnad for additional information if needed.

 

As for dictionaries, A concise Dictionary of Akkadian by Postgate, Black and George will be able to handle most things for a good while. When things get complex, you have to use the Chicago Assyrian Dictionary as well, and ideally Wolfram von Soden's Akkadisches Handwörterbuch - but that one is very difficult to find.

 

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Posted Yesterday, 08:10 PM

Hey Peter,

 

  Many thanx as always.

 

  Well I can get Kaspar Riemschneider's Lehrbuch des Akkadischen and Arthur Ungnad's Akkadian Grammar, in translation on inter-library loan.

  And if that doesn't scare the willies out of me I can look into getting copies.

 

  Could be fun. Hmm...

 

D
 


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Posted Yesterday, 08:20 PM

 חג מולד שמח ושנה טובה

 תשׁבוחתא לאלהא במרומא ועל ארעא שׁלמא וסברא טבא לבני אנשׁא

מברך הו מריא  אלהא דתשׁבוחתא  דסער עמה ועבד לה פורקנא


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חַפְּשׂוּ בַּתּוֹרָה הֵיטֵב וְאַל תִּסְתַּמְּכוּ עַל דְּבָרַי

 

 


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Posted Today, 07:42 AM

OK - Brian, I’ll bite - the first part makes perfect sense, but the line 2 and 3 look like gobbledygook to me...I think...

 

Peter - why did you post the New Jersey turnpike signs? ;-) 


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Posted Today, 08:26 AM

OK - Brian, I’ll bite - the first part makes perfect sense, but the line 2 and 3 look like gobbledygook to me...I think...

 

Peter - why did you post the New Jersey turnpike signs? ;-) 

 

 

It's a quote from the Syriac NT Peshitta (Luke 2:14), but the Hebrew letters threw me off for a second, too - At first glance I thought it was Biblical Aramaic because of all the alephs. :)

 

Oh, whoops - sorry about that, Ken! Here, this should do it.  ;) 

 

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Posted Today, 09:18 AM

Hey Peter,

 

  Many thanx as always.

 

  Well I can get Kaspar Riemschneider's Lehrbuch des Akkadischen and Arthur Ungnad's Akkadian Grammar, in translation on inter-library loan.

  And if that doesn't scare the willies out of me I can look into getting copies.

 

  Could be fun. Hmm...

 

D
 

 

If you have any questions about the grammar, the exercises in Riemschneider or the nature of the language in general, feel free to PM me about it.


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Posted Today, 11:23 AM

 

If you have any questions about the grammar, the exercises in Riemschneider or the nature of the language in general, feel free to PM me about it.

Many thanx

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Posted Today, 07:15 PM

OK - Brian, I’ll bite - the first part makes perfect sense, but the line 2 and 3 look like gobbledygook to me...I think...

 

At, first I was worried if the fonts were showing up correctly, but it was suppose to be a bit of a challenge.

 

 

 

It's a quote from the Syriac NT Peshitta (Luke 2:14), but the Hebrew letters threw me off for a second, too - At first glance I thought it was Biblical Aramaic because of all the alephs. :)

 

 

You are right about the 2nd line! But, the third line was slightly modified from Luke 1:68.

 

 כָּבוֹד בַּמְּרוֹמִים לֵאלֹהִים וּבָאָרֶץ שָׁלוֹם בְּאַנְשֵׁי רְצוֹנוֹ (Franz Delitzsch NT Luke 2:14)
 תשׁבוחתא לאלהא במרומא ועל ארעא שׁלמא וסברא טבא לבני אנשׁא (Peshitta Luke 2:14)
 
 
  בָּרוּךְ יְהֹוָה אֱלֹהֵי יִשְׂרָאֵל כִּי פָקַד אֶת־עַמּוֹ וַיִּשְׁלַח לוֹ פְּדוּת (Franz Delitzsch NT Luke 1:68)
   מברך הו מריא אלהה דאיסריל דסער עמה ועבד לה פורקנא׃ (Peshitta Luke 1:68)
מברך הו מריא  אלהא דתשׁבוחתא  דסער עמה ועבד לה פורקנא (what was posted above)

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חַפְּשׂוּ בַּתּוֹרָה הֵיטֵב וְאַל תִּסְתַּמְּכוּ עַל דְּבָרַי

 

 


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Posted Today, 07:35 PM

It may be a bit late, but Merry Christmas!  Now, if Accordance wanted to give us all a great gift, they would come out with a change to the iPad version so we could turn pages like in ibooks.



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Posted Today, 08:17 PM

 

 

At, first I was worried if the fonts were showing up correctly, but it was suppose to be a bit of a challenge.

 

 

You are right about the 2nd line! But, the third line was slightly modified from Luke 1:68.

 

 כָּבוֹד בַּמְּרוֹמִים לֵאלֹהִים וּבָאָרֶץ שָׁלוֹם בְּאַנְשֵׁי רְצוֹנוֹ (Franz Delitzsch NT Luke 2:14)
 תשׁבוחתא לאלהא במרומא ועל ארעא שׁלמא וסברא טבא לבני אנשׁא (Peshitta Luke 2:14)
 
 
  בָּרוּךְ יְהֹוָה אֱלֹהֵי יִשְׂרָאֵל כִּי פָקַד אֶת־עַמּוֹ וַיִּשְׁלַח לוֹ פְּדוּת (Franz Delitzsch NT Luke 1:68)
   מברך הו מריא אלהה דאיסריל דסער עמה ועבד לה פורקנא׃ (Peshitta Luke 1:68)
מברך הו מריא  אלהא דתשׁבוחתא  דסער עמה ועבד לה פורקנא (what was posted above)

 

 

Haha, shoot - forgot to check the third line. But thank you for the challenge!

 

With kind regards

 

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