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#1 rjmathes

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Posted 16 June 2007 - 09:54 AM

Iíve had Accordance for a couple years, just donít use it much. Something about its paradigm is unintuitive to me and I've struggled to figure out how to do basic tasks I can do fairly quickly with hard copy tools. Iím sure the app is great, just something about how I expect it to work is different than it works. So I figured I would try to learn how to do one basic task and then leverage from there.

So hereís what I want to do: select a word, search the bible for all instances of it, select a verse, then select a word in that verse and do a study on that word in the original language.

Manually, I would go to my exhaustive concordance, then look up the verses. Once I found the word I wanted to study, I'd use the concordance to drive back to Vines and study the meaning of the word there. I have no idea how to do this in Accordance.

I type a word, Ďjoyí, for example. I get a long list of verses, but unbelievably to me, it only lists chapter and verse, not the book! So first problem is I canít tell what book a respective verse is in. What am I missing here?

Then I find a verse, and a word within a verse, that I want to explore. Now what? How do I select that word and then use that selection to research it?

I appreciate any help anyone can provide here. Iím a pretty tech savvy person but every time I use this app I get so frustrated I close it for another 6 months and go back to doing it the old fashioned way.

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Posted 16 June 2007 - 03:06 PM

I know this is anathema for a dedicated Mac user, but have you considered the Tutorial that comes with the application. Oak Tree has also provided some excellent manuals that describe the use of Accordance rather well.

When I select "Search for words" and type "joy", I get 155 versesóthe entire verse, not just a short phrase as in a hard copy concordance. This search took less than five seconds to return all these verses. How long would that search take to look up all those references in a hard copy Bible?

For the results you describe, you had to select "Show text asÖ" and "Reference Only" under the Display menu. Even then, I get a list showing Book, chapter, and verse.

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#3 Lorinda H. M. Hoover

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Posted 16 June 2007 - 03:44 PM

Here are a couple of ways to do what you are asking about:


Method 1:
1) Open a Search window in Accordance (File>New>Search Text)
2) Set the Search text (above the box where you type in the search parameters) to the version you want to use (e.g. NRSV or KJVS)
3) Set the radio button for Words
4) Type in the word you want (e.g. joy); hit return
Like Jack, I get a list that includes Book, Chapter, Verse and the text of the verse. The word I searched for shows up in red. If this doesn't happen for you, there are probably some settings you need to change, unfortunately I don't know which ones, but I'm sure Helen or David would.

Method 2:
1) In this scenario, you are reading a text and find a word you want to look up. Say, for example, that you are reading 1Kings 21 and you want to know if the word "sullen"(1Kings 21:4) occurs elsewhere in Scripture.
2) Select the word in question (in our example, sullen)
3) move your mouse over to the Resource Pallette, to the scroll with the A on hit
4) Click and hold the mouse and choose the English translation you want to search
5) A new search window opens, showing you the results. (In the NRSV, "sullen" occurs 3 times; twice in 1Kings and once in 3Mac)


The various tabs in the Details window (click on the details button) can also be very helpful when doing word study.

Similarly, you can select a word in the text, move the arrow over to the book with an A on it and choose the tool you want to search.

If you use a keyed text (KJVS, NAS, or NIV-G/K), you can select a word, hold down the option key, and then select the the text you want from the English scroll. This will search for every occurence of the original language word behind the English translation.

I, too, would reccommend the included tutorials. You might also want to consider the new training DVD. The free downloadable sample lesson is on using the search window.

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Posted 16 June 2007 - 10:38 PM

By default it should show you the book. But if it doesn't press Apple-T (or Display->Set Text Pane Display) and make sure you havn't selected "omit book name". Your version being a few years old, I'm assuming that hasn't changed.

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Posted 16 June 2007 - 10:40 PM

If your search results are only showing chapter and verse without the book name, you must have, at some point, changed the display settings to omit the book name. To fix this, go to Preferences and click on Text Display in the list at left. In the References section of the dialog box, you'll see a pop-up menu labeled "Format." I suspect if you click and hold on it, you'll see a check mark beside the "Omit Book Name Only" option. Just choose something like "Before Verse" to get the book name back. When you click OK, your settings will apply the next time you open a new Bible text.

Even without changing the settings, you can always see the book name for the top verse in your window by looking down at the Go To Box in the bottom right corner of the Search window. The full reference is always given there.

As for doing word studies, your best bet is to use a Bible text with Strong's numbers, such as the KJVS or NAS95S. Then, when you want to find out more about a word, you can triple-click it to look it up in a Strong's dictionary. If you want to search for every occurrence of the original Greek or Hebrew word behind the English, simply select the word you want, then hold down the option key while clicking the Search button at the bottom right corner of the Resource palette. A new window or tab will open showing every word which has been tagged with that Strong number. In version 7, you can control-click a word and then choose Search for Key Number from the contextual menu.

I'm sorry you've found the Accordance interface counter-intuitive. I wish you had asked for help sooner. To get a feel for the basic concepts around which the Accordance interface is built, see this page. To learn how to use Bible texts with Key Numbers, go to the Accordance Help, then click on the link to the TUTORIAL, and look at section 5, "Working with Strong's Numbers." You might also check out this article I wrote for the Christian Macintosh Users Group.

Finally, there is the Accordance Training DVD, which I think will help you get up and running with Accordance faster than any other resource.

I hope this helps.
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#6 Helen Brown

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Posted 16 June 2007 - 10:45 PM

Y'all have such good answers. I talked to this user much earlier today and got him on the road. I intended to keep his post hidden, but it was put back and now everyone has to set him right, poor guy! He'll probably never show his face again.
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#7 Lorinda H. M. Hoover

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Posted 17 June 2007 - 07:00 AM

I would hope, rather, than the number of responses would indicate our willingness as an "Accordance Community" to help those who are struggling with some aspect of the program, and therefore encourage him (and others) to post again, knowing that there are many folks willing and able to be of assistance.

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Posted 18 June 2007 - 04:40 AM

After using Accordance regularly for some years, I am still learning something useful almost every week from these kinds of discussions. I LOVE the forum discussions and the community of helpful folks who comprise the Accordance forum.

I consider myself a raving fan of Accordance and regularly evangelize new users among my pals. The forum and blogs are big selling points!

Thanks to all of you Accordance staffers! You maintain such a great quality of interaction with the forum! It's the best!




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