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#1 R. Mansfield

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Posted 06 March 2008 - 03:54 PM

I know I could ask this in the Mellel forums, I know folks here a lot better!

In my dissertation, I've opted to use the Accordance font Helena for my Greek text. Even though it is not unicode, it is much nicer looking (in my opinion) than any Greek unicode font I've seen so far.

So yesterday, I referred to the Greek word πόλεμος, and because it was at the end of the line, Mellel kept splitting it into two separate words πό and λεμος. This is because Mellel simply sees it as po/lemo▀ and breaks the word after the forward slash.

So, I wonder if some of the Mellel users on this board know a way to suppress that break so that the word will stay together?

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Posted 06 March 2008 - 04:12 PM

I don't have an answer but would add that mellel collapses the word sophia using the Teknia Greek font. Its weird. I know this isn't an answer, but is a similar problem. I have chosen Teknia Greek font for similar reasons as well.

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Posted 06 March 2008 - 04:20 PM

I know I could ask this in the Mellel forums, I know folks here a lot better!

In my dissertation, I've opted to use the Accordance font Helena for my Greek text. Even though it is not unicode, it is much nicer looking (in my opinion) than any Greek unicode font I've seen so far.

So yesterday, I referred to the Greek word πόλεμος, and because it was at the end of the line, Mellel kept splitting it into two separate words πό and λεμος. This is because Mellel simply sees it as po/lemo▀ and breaks the word after the forward slash.

So, I wonder if some of the Mellel users on this board know a way to suppress that break so that the word will stay together?

Thanks.


The only thing that worked for me was exporting as unicode, which doesn't really help you.

Have you seen the font, New Athena Unicode? I like the script a lot better than Cardo.

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Posted 06 March 2008 - 04:29 PM

So yesterday, I referred to the Greek word πόλεμος, and because it was at the end of the line, Mellel kept splitting it into two separate words πό and λεμος. This is because Mellel simply sees it as po/lemo▀ and breaks the word after the forward slash.


If you go into Preferences you'll not a "Hyphenation" icon across the top. Click on that and then add the word you want (click "Add" and type it in, obviously in the default Latin font). If you want to allow hyphenation, add "-" where you want Mellel to allow breaks, but if you omit any hyphens, Mellel will not allow the word to be hyphenated in your text. This works for all words, the only difficulty you face (because you're not using a Unicode font) is that you will need to enter the word in the default Latin font, so it won't appear as Greek in the hyphenation panel.

Anyway, I hope that helps!

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Posted 06 March 2008 - 05:12 PM

Barring an easier solution in Mellel, there's always the Chicago Manual of Style-type recommendation to rewrite/reformat the sentence so that the word in question is no longer near a line break! (For what it's worth, Word 2004 and 2008 do not break words with slashes in them).

Helena is a very nice typeface, but if you need Unicode, Linguist's Software's SymbolGreekU is the typeface that NA27 is printed in (they also have the UBS edition typeface).
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Posted 06 March 2008 - 06:53 PM

Martin, I tried adding the word to the hyphenation list, but it still breaks it at the forward slash.

JP, yes, one solution is certainly to change a sentence around, but the nature of this beast is that I might make other changes in the future that push it to the end of a line again.

I'll just have to watch for such things carefully as I can't find a good solution yet.
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Posted 06 March 2008 - 08:14 PM

Martin, I tried adding the word to the hyphenation list, but it still breaks it at the forward slash.


Sorry, I didn't realise that the word included a non-alphabetic character. The perils of not using Unicode!

One other thing you might try which I just tested on an English word which included a soft hyphen was to place a zero-width non-breaking space before the character immediately following the hyphen. This can be inserted by going to the Insert menu, selecting "Special Characters" then "Space" and then the "Zero width no-break space."

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Posted 19 March 2008 - 09:25 AM

Sorry, I didn't realise that the word included a non-alphabetic character. The perils of not using Unicode!


True. I realize that Cardo's kind of funky looking, but there are so many different Unicode Greek fonts that it's hard to believe there aren't any which suit you. My my new favorite is the Greek set of the new OpenType Times New Roman that comes with office 2008. Alkaios is another attractive Unicode font which, IMO, is almost indistinguishable from Helena. Here's the URL: http://www.lucius-ha...rse/greekfonts/.

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Posted 19 March 2008 - 09:30 AM

True. I realize that Cardo's kind of funky looking, but there are so many different Unicode Greek fonts that it's hard to believe there aren't any which suit you. My my new favorite is the Greek set of the new OpenType Times New Roman that comes with office 2008. Alkaios is another attractive Unicode font which, IMO, is almost indistinguishable from Helena. Here's the URL: http://www.lucius-ha...rse/greekfonts/.


P.S. The advantage of Alkaios over SymbolGreek is the price: $0 vs. $99.

Edited by jondh, 19 March 2008 - 09:31 AM.


#10 Marco V. Fabbri

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Posted 19 March 2008 - 12:26 PM

There are a few more Unicode Greek fonts that work with Mellel and are free.

One is Gentium, or GentiumAlt (they differ in the circumflex accent)

Another it Times (not TimesNewRoman) that is installed in the later version of MacOS. It includes polytonic Greek.

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