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#1 Tom Childers

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Posted 16 August 2008 - 12:49 AM

I have always thought that the paragraph marker meant the beginning of a new paragraph. However, as I was reading Matthew 1, I noted that there is a in the middle of verse 6. This caught my attention and peaked my curiosity. Using Accordance's search ., I was shown 1624 hits in the GNT-T. I also noted that most of the newer translations also have the in the middle of Matthew 1:6, while the KJV and ASV do not.

I tried to narrow the search in Accordance for only the verses that have the in the middle of the verse, but did not find any search symbol which worked, such as the wild card or space before the marker. Does any one know how to narrow this search?

This also raised several questions? Where does the marker come from? What is the standard that determines how these appear in the Greek and English translations? What do they mean? Obviously, but not always, they service as a periscope. However, the ones in the middle of a verse seem to have at least two roles. The one in Matthew 1:6 seems to introduce a parenthetical statement. The next one I found was Matthew 27:46 and it appears to be similar in that it gives the translation of the expression uttered by Jesus. Mark 8:18, 12:37, and others seems to be comments after a quotation from the Hebrew Bible. But what is the purpose of the marker in the middle of a verse like Luke 9:43? Any feed back would be appreciated.

BTW, for the paragraph markers to show in the Accordance panel, one goes to CMD-T, and turns on "separate verses" or "separate verses with spaces" option.

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Posted 16 August 2008 - 04:38 PM

Tom,
I took a pass on offering a response earlier, mostly because was unsure at what level you were asking the question. But, seeing as how you've gotten no response...
I've always assumed the Accordance team has placed the paragraph markers as per the Nestle-Aland GNT 27e. And if not that edition, then another. They are there to introduce paragraphs, quite simply. The beginning of a paragraph is a subjective decision, for sure. However, modern decisions on where paragraphs are delineated are MORE reliable than the old chapter and verse designations. What I mean is, if a paragraph begins in the middle of a verse, it was the old verse decision that was in err. Remember that verses were not added to the NT text for for hundreds of years after they were first written.
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Posted 18 August 2008 - 03:41 PM

Thank you, Joe, that is both helpful and interesting. Tom, please what is CMD-T? Thanks to you also!

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Edited by Helen Brown, 18 August 2008 - 08:27 PM.

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Posted 18 August 2008 - 06:19 PM

Thank you, Joe, that is both helpful and interesting. Tom, please what is CMD-T? Thanks to you also!

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CMD-T is a key combination: command plus T. The command key is the one with the apple symbol on it.
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#5 Tom Childers

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Posted 19 August 2008 - 01:59 PM

Tom,
I took a pass on offering a response earlier, mostly because was unsure at what level you were asking the question. But, seeing as how you've gotten no response...
I've always assumed the Accordance team has placed the paragraph markers as per the Nestle-Aland GNT 27e. And if not that edition, then another. They are there to introduce paragraphs, quite simply. The beginning of a paragraph is a subjective decision, for sure. However, modern decisions on where paragraphs are delineated are MORE reliable than the old chapter and verse designations. What I mean is, if a paragraph begins in the middle of a verse, it was the old verse decision that was in err. Remember that verses were not added to the NT text for for hundreds of years after they were first written.
HTH,
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Joe,
Thanks for the reply. I understand that the present chapter divisions in our Bibles were invented in 1205 by Stephen Langton and later Robert Stephanus affixed his own verse divisions to the New Testament and numbered them within Langton's chapter divisions. I agree that they are poorly done in some cases and agree with the advice of A. T. Robertson that "The first step in interpretation is to ignore the modern chapters and verses."

My post was not inviting a discussion of the division of chapters and verses of the Bible, but rather to call attention to the purpose of a paragraph marker within the middle of a verse as is found in Matthew 1:6. Interesting, the Message has three paragraph markers in Matthew 1:17 which seems to serve as an outline of Matthew 1:2-16. The first marker includes Abraham to David (Mt. 1:2-6a) The second marker includes David to deportation to Babylon (Mt. 1:6b-11). The third marker includes deportation to Babylon to Jesus (Mt. 1:12-16). These markers seem to have to do with more than just verse divisions. If so, what is their purpose beyond chapter and verse divisions?

My post was also to call to our attention the power of Accordance Bible Software to not only do a text search, but to actually search and find paragraph markers within the text.
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Posted 21 August 2008 - 10:40 AM

The paragraph symbol or is known as a 'pilcrow.' It is unknown why, in the English AV (1611) they disappear after Acts 20:36. This absence continues in printed copies of the AV (or KJV) to this day.

For those interested I have attached the beginning of Matthew from Robert Estienne (AKA Stephanus)'s Greek testament of 1550, the first time verse numbers appeared in print.

The Old Testament, as always, is however another story!

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Posted 21 August 2008 - 10:44 AM

We should remember that paragraph markers, chapters and verse divisions, book titles, attributed authorship, and in some cases even vowels are not part of the original texts.

They have been added to add clarification to the text. It is a matter of debate how helpful they actually are.

Accordance modules reflect the editorial additions of the original printed texts/editors/publishers.

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Posted 21 August 2008 - 08:20 PM

My post was not inviting a discussion of the division of chapters and verses of the Bible, but rather to call attention to the purpose of a paragraph marker within the middle of a verse...

As I said, the ambiguity of your op as to at what level you were asking the questions was the reason I had taken a pass on a response in the first place.
Please forgive any reply that came across as condescending.

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Posted 22 August 2008 - 08:49 AM

As I said, the ambiguity of your op as to at what level you were asking the questions was the reason I had taken a pass on a response in the first place.
Please forgive any reply that came across as condescending.


Joe,
No problem. I appreciate your response. It helped to clarify what I was asking.

Tom




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