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#1 danzac

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Posted 10 March 2009 - 08:06 PM

This is such a simple matter that I'm wondering if I've simply run into a problem.

I will be talking about Colwell's rule to my Greek class—talking about John 1:1. So I decided to find other instances of a nominative form of theos without an article preceding it. My search string is

=θεός@ [NOUN masculine singular nominative] <NOT> <PRECEDED BY> =ὁ


I receive 11 hits, but John 1:1 IS NOT one of them? How is this possible!?

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Posted 10 March 2009 - 08:37 PM

The reason this happens is because it IS preceded by the article. The article is before logos. You need to set it to search by clause and possibly limit the number of words between theos and the article. For example:

theos@[noun masc nom sing] <NOT> <PRECEDED BY> <WITHIN 2 WORDS> ho

John 1:1 shows up in this search. HTH.
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Posted 11 March 2009 - 10:42 AM

The reason this happens is because it IS preceded by the article. The article is before logos. You need to set it to search by clause and possibly limit the number of words between theos and the article. For example:

theos@[noun masc nom sing] <NOT> <PRECEDED BY> <WITHIN 2 WORDS> ho

John 1:1 shows up in this search. HTH.



I tried this before, and I just tried it again. Your exact search string is STILL returning incorrect results!

Look for instance at Matt 22:32. Part of my search results for the above string is the first 3 theos's in this sentence, but not the fourth one (with the article in brackets).

This is really bugging me. I've done more complex searches than this before. What is the problem here?

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 10:55 AM

i've just checked with another colleague, same search results.

What we noticed is that the incorrect results seem to be verses with either brackets or italicized material in the verse

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 11:18 AM

That's interesting.

If you use a Greek construct, the search results are correct. Here's how I would set up the construct.

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 11:28 AM

I also get incorrect results in this search - it appears that the italicized text (usu. OT quotes) and bracketed texts (variants?) are for some reason excluded from the parameters

Edited by mbcvida, 11 March 2009 - 11:28 AM.

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 12:25 PM

Well at least I know I'm not going crazy! ;)

i'll send an email to Helen just in case she isn't following this thread

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 03:57 PM

Also note that some occurrences of the article are tagged with two variant parsings reflecting two different understandings of its function (nominative or vocative). This occurs in Mark 15:34 (twice); Luke 18:11, 13; John 20:28. I emailed Helen about this yesterday, so hopefully she can give us an authoritative explanation!
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