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#1 NicholasEllis

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Posted 04 August 2009 - 01:39 AM

I'm finding that in Pseud-T, all occurrences of φως are bringing up the gloss "man, mighty one", and when one searches the lexical form, "man, mighty one" is also shown.

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Posted 04 August 2009 - 01:43 AM

It's correct here. I think you have a mismatch between the gloss files and your modules. You need to get the updated texts on the Primary 8.1 DVD.
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Posted 06 August 2009 - 11:41 AM

I'm finding that in Pseud-T, all occurrences of φως are bringing up the gloss "man, mighty one", and when one searches the lexical form, "man, mighty one" is also shown.


If you have the Liddell-Scott intermediate dictionary, you will see that there is an entry for ΦΏΣ, which means "man".

The entry says:

ΦΏΣ, gen. φωτός, ὁ: dual φῶτε, φωτοῖν: pl. φῶτες, φωτῶν, φωσί: used by Poets, just like ἀνήρ, a man, Hom., Trag.
II. a man, as opp. to a woman, Od., Soph.; δὔ οἰκτρὼ φῶτε, of a man and his wife, Eur.
III. a man, opp. to a god, Il., Aesch.


It is a different word from the entry that comes next to it:

φῶς, τό, contr. for φάος, light, q.v.


However, you are right that there are problems in PSEUD-T: I am afraid that some errors crept in a recent update, that removed a few correct quotations of ΦΏΣ.

In case your module is not correct, I attach the list of the instances of ΦΏΣ in the Sibylline Oracles.

Sibylline 1,77 ἦσαν δ᾿ ἂρ μιαροὶ κεκορεσμένοι αἵματι φωτῶν
Sibylline 2,92 μηδὲ κακῶς γε προσείπῃς μωμητόν τινα φῶτα.
Sibylline 2,162 ὑστατίης γενεῆς φῶτες κακοεργέες αἰνοί
Sibylline 3,31 εἰδώλοις τ᾿ ἀλάλοις λιθίνοις θ᾿ ἱδρύμασι φωτῶν·
Sibylline 3,391 πρόσθε κεραυνὸς φῶτα· κακὸν δ᾿ Ἀσίη ζυγὸν ἕξει
Sibylline 3,453 * αἵματι μὲν δάπεδον * κελαρύξεται εἰς ἅλα φωτῶν
Sibylline 3,665 σηκὸν γὰρ μεγάλοιο θεοῦ καὶ φῶτας ἀρίστους
Sibylline 5,10 πολλούς δ᾿ αὖ μετ᾿ ἄνακτας, ἀρηιφίλους μετὰ φῶτας,
Sibylline 5,109 πάντας ὀλεῖ βασιλεῖς μεγάλους καὶ φῶτας ἀρίστους.
Sibylline 5,139 τῆς μεγάλης Ῥώμης βασιλεὺς μέγας ἰσόθεος φώς,
Sibylline 5,144 ὃν πάντες στυγέουσι βροτοὶ καὶ φῶτες ἄριστοι·
Sibylline 5,194 Συήνην δ᾿ ὀλέσειε μέγας φὼς Αἰθιοπήων·
Sibylline 5,380 πάντας ὁμοῦ τ᾿ ὀλέσει βασιλεῖς καὶ φῶτας ἀρίστους.
Sibylline 7,29 ἔσται γάρ ποτε κεῖνος ἅπαξ χρόνος, ἔνθα δὲ φῶτες
Sibylline 11,20 ἔξοχον ἠδὲ δίκαιον· ἔπειτα δὲ φῶτες ἐν αὐτῇ
Sibylline 11,158 ἀλλά μιν οὐδὲ θανόντ᾿ ἐπιλήσεται ἔθνεα φωτῶν·
Sibylline 11,276 ἀλλὰ ἄναξ βασιλεύς τε γενήσεται ἀντίθεος φώς.
Sibylline 12,10 πολλούς δ᾿ αὖ μετ᾿ ἄνακτας, ἀρηιφίλους μετὰ φῶτας,
Sibylline 12,117 ἄρξουσιν μετέπειτ᾿ ἄλλοι δύο φῶτες ἄνακτες
Sibylline 12,193 ἔν τ᾿ ἀγοραῖς ναοῖς τε μολὼν σὺν φωτὶ κραταιῷ.
Sibylline 14,21 ἄρξουσιν μετέπειτ᾿ ἄλλοι δύο φῶτες ἄνακτες
Sibylline 14,262 φῶτες ἐφορμηθέντες ἀφαιρήσουσι γενέθλας
Sibylline 14,289 κεδνὸς ἄναξ βασιλεὺς * παίδων καὶ φώτεσι πέμπων *.
Sibylline 14,344 αἶ, ὁπόσοι φῶτες περὶ κύματα νηχήσονται·

[I have now removed Sibylline 5,482, which was a false hit]

Edited by Marco, 28 August 2009 - 09:32 AM.

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