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#1 Kit

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Posted 21 November 2009 - 03:07 PM

Hi, Users,
What features or functions do you want most in the upcoming Accordance?

Here is my list:
1. Table feature in the User Tool
2. a function of inserting images in the User Tool
3. can view Asian Language
4, enhance the bookmark feature so that I can save, categorize and organize these bookmarks.
5. The colour in the Timeline can be customized
6. enhance the user interface to be even more mac-like.
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I really appreciate the Accordance Team for such a nice software.
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Posted 21 November 2009 - 05:56 PM

I concur with the first of the requests. I have wanted a table ability in user tools and notes for a long time.

I'd like to add one to the list though. Could we put in a filter to find and root out improper spelling of words like "Saviour" and "colour"? Ok, that was just a bad joke, not a request. (-:

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Posted 21 November 2009 - 06:43 PM

I cant comment much as im very new, I guess the only thing I can think of is appearence, giving it a new sheen would be cool as has been done with other softwares. However I think this would probably make more sense with Accordance X.

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Posted 21 November 2009 - 09:59 PM

Hi, Users,
What features or functions do you want most in the upcoming Accordance?

Here is my list:
1. Table feature in the User Tool
2. a function of inserting images in the User Tool
...

I love your top two! I would extend that to being able to import tables and images as well.

To add to your list, I would add tool links that hide the formatted link and just show the text. For example show:
the Greek for Urge alludes...
instead of:
[BDAG, Greek Entry, martu/romai]

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Posted 22 November 2009 - 01:03 PM

If were adding some items to Accordance, I would make it easier to use Accordance for daily readings. It would be helpful to have preset toos, and just hit a "Daily" button and get it to open to today's devotional thoughts, appropriate scriptures, etc.

Maybe this is already a feature that I've not found yet, but I don't like having to find the reading for the day in the browser. Seems easy to automate that using system time.

Just a thought.

Also I like the new feature from the 'other guys' that will incorporate appropriate sermons from SermonAudio.com into the search results. That's handy.

One last thing, I'd give the UI a refresh. Something that feels more 2010, less 2000. Just thinking out loud.
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Posted 22 November 2009 - 03:12 PM

Hi, Users,
What features or functions do you want most in the upcoming Accordance?

Kit


I would like to see user defined reading plans for any resource in my library. Yes, that is a new feature in the other software.

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Posted 22 November 2009 - 03:59 PM

I would like to see user defined reading plans for any resource in my library. Yes, that is a new feature in the other software.


+1 on this. I was just using A8 this morning as part of my devotions and wished that it had a way for it to programme my reading plan.

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Posted 22 November 2009 - 06:26 PM

First, Better content/library management features. I tend to forget I even own certain modules... Maybe better categorization of tools would help me to remember that I've got access to certain study tools and aids? Second, better/updated UI. I really like how fast Accordance is and the tab metaphor works well enough but having all the floating palettes is a chore to maintain and visually busy... I'd much rather see a one window layout mode that contains all the palettes as doc-able, rearrangeable widgets. Much like many Adobe products (but with your good coding practices and not Adobe's nasty UI bugs!). If this is not an option how about a "snap to fit" type option where the palettes can snap to one another's edges and fill the available display area. My biggest concern is the distraction of being able to see the desktop between all the palettes and the visual distraction they present when open on screen. Third, this is more of a pet peeve of mine and probably not a big change, but when I click on the general tools or english texts or any of the main content or tools icons I don't expect the application to launch my last used resource... I'm constantly opening new resources and this assumption to open the last used resource is frustrating. Mostly I would like to see the list of modules/texts to be displayed on-click. Currently I have to click and hold (while remembering not to drag off of the menus), or control click to get what I have become accustomed to as the standard apple menu user experience. I would much rather these tools interact like the standard apple menu options than in this fashion. I know that I can have the library palette opened and sort that way but for me that's another palette on my laptop and another visual distraction from the text that I'm studying.

Those are my big three. The accordance engine itself is fantastic. But the UI is conceptually and in too many places visually dated. The current palette mechanism is cluttered, difficult to maintain and visually distracting. Many times these things are frustrating in daily use.

Thanks so much for asking, and thanks for Accordance. God bless!

Edited by scriswell, 22 November 2009 - 06:35 PM.

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Posted 22 November 2009 - 08:39 PM

Here are mine in decreasing order of importance:

1. iPhone application so that one can reuse Accordance modules on the iPhone.

2. This fits with 1. Use MobileMe (or something else) and provide a sync framework that syncs multiple Macs' Accordance settings (and maybe even modules)... plus sync with the iPhone app. Logos just added something like this and I think it would be very handy.

3. Cross-referencing of modules -- it'd be nice to see which commentaries, lexicons, maps, works of theology, etc. have references to a given passage while viewing the passage. I believe BibleWorks does something like this.

4. Overhauled search tools and engine. I can do a full text search of my computer faster than I can search a handful of Accordance modules. I'd love to see real-time updating to the search too, just as in Spotlight, Mail, iTunes, etc., where the results are updated as I search. In the Google-era, I should never have time to go change the laundry when doing a basic keyword search through a few gigabytes of data.

5. Bring the UI closer to the Mac's HIG. While the UI works well, there are places that Accordance seems to vary with more standard Mac interfaces for reasons I suspect are more related to history than any particular present day advantage. The UI is good, but some tweaks would -- I think -- lower the amount of folks that suggest the interface looks dated.

I'm a happy Accordance user, so please don't take these as indicating otherwise. I'd just be even happier with these changes, especially 1-4.

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Posted 22 November 2009 - 10:34 PM

It seems that most users want to have a refreshed UI in the upcoming version.

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 12:54 PM

I've mentioned this before and I believe it may already be in the work. Not only an improvement on how to organize your library (I too forget I have things) but the modules themselves need to be better named, IMO. AND FURTHER, some description or indication of contents in the library window. Sometimes I forget where to look when looking for certain things (where do I find 1 clement? Which module is the Prayer of Azariah in?).

I've mentioned this before as well— I would like to see full and proper abbreviations for primary texts. Using "copy as citation" in pseudepigrapha and DSS modules, for example, gives you Accordance abbreviations for these books, not the standard abbrevs for academic literature.

I echo others desire for enhanced user tool/notes pane— Basically RTF(D) is what is needed. It would handle tables, images, live links, etc.

I'd love to also see in user tools/notes pane the ability to link to any module, not just the NT and OT.

I'd like to see highlighting get a bit of an overhaul— kind of like Preview annotations (add sticky notes, circle, highlight, underline, etc)

I also echo the UI upgrade. I think something like "inner drawers" like that used in Sente, for example, would work well. Another option, though I don't like it as much, is to go the "Inspector" route.
On the UI front, I think, with some nifting coding and thinking, that the resources palette and library window could both be replaced by one pane/palette.

my thoughts.....

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 04:59 PM

I echo what danzac says about UI and user tools/notes improvements. The latter can be done by moving to Os X's text processing engine. The developer tools come with an example TextEdit project which looks like the full source code for TextEdit. The downside is that Os X's text engine does not handle tables well. and provides very basic functionality.

As to UI improvements, that will require porting Accordance to cocoa from carbon. I was looking through interface builder to see what was available in Carbon that would improve the UI, but most of the nicer/newer gui elements are Cocoa apis. these include the finder l/itunes like sidebar (which would be great for the contents lists of modules), metal buttons like the ones in Finder's toolbar, just to name a couple. This move would open up some doors to some cool stuff that Accordance could make use of, but I am sure it would take a ton of re-writing. I am not sure how tied to carbon the underlying accordance mechanisms (such as searching, module file decoding, etc), but I would assume most every piece of functionality would have to be ported or completely re-written. Apple just recoded Finder to Cocoa, which should help us to see that it might not be so easy.

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 07:35 PM

This issue of carbon vs. cocoa has come up before. A move to cocoa would pretty much stall enhancement for a few years by the sounds of it, and would eliminate backwards compatibility as well as the pc emulator users.

Your comment about the Finder is an interesting one, because I don't really notice much of a difference between the SL finder and the old Finder. So the sidebar, etc., wasn't cocoa specific.

In the back of my mind I worry that a decade from now carbon will no longer be supported by Mac OS, with the Finder change being a sign of things to come. I don't know a lot about coding though, so I'll put my faith in Roy and his team to make the decisions.

I will say that I use a lot of apps and play with a lot apps, and I can usually see and feel a difference between carbon and cocoa apps. I'm an Accordance loyalist, but it does feel carbon-like.

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 10:10 PM

3. Cross-referencing of modules -- it'd be nice to see which commentaries, lexicons, maps, works of theology, etc. have references to a given passage while viewing the passage. I believe BibleWorks does something like this.


5. Bring the UI closer to the Mac's HIG. While the UI works well, there are places that Accordance seems to vary with more standard Mac interfaces for reasons I suspect are more related to history than any particular present day advantage. The UI is good, but some tweaks would -- I think -- lower the amount of folks that suggest the interface looks dated.


These are both top on my list. Particularly your first suggestion. I would LOVE TO HAVE THIS FEATURE!
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Posted 23 November 2009 - 10:25 PM

On top of the ease of use, I think the UI enhancements, cross-referencing modules more visibly, and a more robust daily reading function would all get more of spending more time using Accordance. It could go from an incredibly powerful search tool, to a regular part of an average user's day.
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Posted 24 November 2009 - 10:39 PM

Smaller icons on the resource palette. I have a 13" screen, so screen real estate is very valuable.

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Posted 22 December 2009 - 11:57 AM

I'd like to be able to see Asian fonts in Accordance too -- specifically, I'd like to be able to access Chinese language Bibles.

Also, I'd like to be able to view all the items listed in the browser with one option-click, rather than have to click each small triangle to see what's under a subheading.

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Posted 22 December 2009 - 02:13 PM

We have three browsers: in the Tool, the Library and the Search All windows. Option-click opens all levels in the Library, but in the Tool it drills down to the exact article you are viewing. Since the tool may have many many levels, opening them all at once is likely to be overwhelming.
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Posted 23 December 2009 - 10:48 AM

We have three browsers: in the Tool, the Library and the Search All windows. Option-click opens all levels in the Library, but in the Tool it drills down to the exact article you are viewing. Since the tool may have many many levels, opening them all at once is likely to be overwhelming.


Hi Helen, I was referring to the Tool browser. Is there then any way to see a listing of all the contents of a tool? Kind of like a contents page? That's my main reason for wanting to see all the levels of a tool at once -- to have an overview of its contents. Thanks.

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Posted 23 December 2009 - 12:48 PM

No, because on multi level tools like Hermeneia or WBC the list could be extremely long.
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