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Newbie help with grammatical tags and @ sign


Meg

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I'm still learning how to do this, so I hope I'm posting in the right place. Doing a Hebrew search for ish + 3rd. fem. sing. suffix, "her man".

 

Under the Search menu I choose Enter Lexical Form and choose "ish"

Under the Search menu I choose Enter Tag --> Suffix, and chose 3rd person, fem, sing

 

Accordance automatically inserts the @ sign between the two elements.

 

I click the search button and get this message: ' There are no verses in the current range of the "BHS-W4 text, which fit the current search entry.'

 

I click OK, and after a lot of trial and error, I remove the @ and leave a SPACE between the 2 elements and the search finds what I am looking for -- 39 hits.

 

I've been reading the manuals and watching the videos until I am crosseyed and everything says I need the @ symbol here. What am I doing wrong? How do I know when to remove the @ sign?

 

Thanks,

Meg

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I think that you don't need the @. The @ is used for attributes of the same element. Here you have two separate elements: The noun and the possesive pronoun.

I still wonder why Accordance adds the @ when you insert the suffix tag. Maybe someone else can clarify.

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Usually when people enter a word followed by a tag they do want them to apply to the same item, this is why Accordance adds the @. David is correct that you just need to delete it in the cases where you are effectively looking for a phrase.

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Alternatively, just type a space before choosing to enter the SUFFIX, to confirm that you want it as a phrase and not a requirement of your other word.

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Usually when people enter a word followed by a tag they do want them to apply to the same item, this is why Accordance adds the @.

 

Isn't it always false when it comes to the suffix? I mean if the suffix is tagged as a separate morpheme then how can the @ ever be relevant?

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It's not relevant to a suffix after a lemma or root, but it can be added after an inflected form, or a COUNT or HITS command. The @ can link any of these together to define a single word, even multiple terms (though these are often done more clearly in the Construct window).

 

Of course, Accordance could be programmed NOT to put the @ when adding [sUFFIX] after a lemma or root, but no-one has complained about it, and the developers have a very long honey-do list as it is.

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  • 9 months later...

Found this thread of last year helpful but also need to find nouns without pronominal suffixes. There is a NOT indicated at the bottom of the SUFFUX Tag dialog box. I thought that I would be able to select the NOT as a way to exclude any suffixes associated with the noun. But I find I cannot select this NOT. I suspect I'm missing something simple. Thanks for you help.

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I think you will find that the NOT becomes available when you select one of the options in the suffix dropdowns.

 

To get no pronom suffixes at all, I think you will have to shift click each one to select all the options, and then NOT the entire selection on that line.

 

A little tiresome, but it should work.

 

Can anyone else think of a better way of doing it?

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To find nouns not followed by any suffix you would either use a string of commands and tags in the Search tab:

[NOUN] [sUFFIX}

which is fairly easy to construct using the drop down menus

 

or set it up in the Construct tab:

 

Noun_not_suffix.png

 

which is way more elegant.

 

Longtime users need to remember that until 9 the Construct always assumed adjacent words, but it no longer does, so we do need to add the WITHIN connecting item.

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