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#1 Rod Decker

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Posted 13 September 2011 - 10:15 AM

How does on search for all instances of dieresis in the GNT? The word "dieresis" doesn't occur in the help system.
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Posted 13 September 2011 - 10:37 AM

How does on search for all instances of dieresis in the GNT? The word "dieresis" doesn't occur in the help system.


I did a search with a period (signifying a character), and then option-q for the dieresis found in the character pallet. A quick scan of the results show words that contain dieresis.

Hope that helps.

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Edited by Darryl, 13 September 2011 - 10:38 AM.


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Posted 13 September 2011 - 10:40 AM

I did a search with a period (signifying a character), and then option-q for the dieresis found in the character pallet. A quick scan of the results show words that contain dieresis.

Hope that helps.

Darryl


Bingo! Thanks. 154 in the NT, 218 in LXX.
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Posted 13 September 2011 - 11:07 AM

Bingo! Thanks. 154 in the NT, 218 in LXX.


Glad to help! One thing to note: A search in the GNT-T gives 154 hits in 150 verses, but a search in NA27-GBS give 153 hits in 150 verses…

It seems (if I am interpreting the data correctly) that the GNT-T adds an erroneous hit in chapter 23 of Matthew. I confirmed this by looking at the Tables from the Details for each search and showing the chapter details. The Table for GNT-T lists 3 hits in chapter 23, but only displays Matt 23:2; 23:24. The NA27-GBS displays the same, but with only 2 hits.

For the GNT-T I am using v. 3.9, and NA27-GBS v. 1.1.

Hope that makes sense.

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Edited by Darryl, 13 September 2011 - 11:09 AM.


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Posted 13 September 2011 - 01:09 PM

We are still missing something here since the search Daryl suggested does not find Ἠσαΐου in the NT nor Μωϋσῆς in the LXX.

(In the case of Μωϋσῆς, there may be another problem here in that the Analysis window shows the inflected form Μωϋσῆς, but none of the hits in the LXX sow the dieresis.)
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Posted 13 September 2011 - 01:22 PM

We are still missing something here since the search Daryl suggested does not find Ἠσαΐου in the NT nor Μωϋσῆς in the LXX.

(In the case of Μωϋσῆς, there may be another problem here in that the Analysis window shows the inflected form Μωϋσῆς, but none of the hits in the LXX sow the dieresis.)


Hi Rod, sorry about the confusion. I just noticed that to find all occurrences where a dieresis is used you would have to enter the other characters in addition (dieresis with the acute [shift-option-q], circumflex [shift-option-w], and grave [option-w]).

This brings the count to 236 in the GNT-T ( 235 in the NA27-GBS).

Darryl

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Posted 13 September 2011 - 01:39 PM

Remember that the default search is for the lemma. Enclose in quotes to search the inflected forms.
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Posted 13 September 2011 - 03:24 PM

Remember that the default search is for the lemma. Enclose in quotes to search the inflected forms.


So exactly what is the simplest search to find all instances of dieresis?

"." ?

I can't paste the Accord Search box text into this forum correctly. What I've pasted above is Unicode (quote period dieresis quote. Pasting that Unicode string into Accord Search appears quite differently, but it appears to work. There must be a simple entry format directly in Accord that I can't figure out. Is there a key for dieresis alone in Helena?
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Posted 13 September 2011 - 03:48 PM

So exactly what is the simplest search to find all instances of dieresis?

"." ?

I can't paste the Accord Search box text into this forum correctly. What I've pasted above is Unicode (quote period dieresis quote. Pasting that Unicode string into Accord Search appears quite differently, but it appears to work. There must be a simple entry format directly in Accord that I can't figure out. Is there a key for dieresis alone in Helena?



Maybe Helen can offer another solution, but for the search results described above I used the following search string:

(.[option-q], .[shift-option-q], .[shift-option-w], .[option-w])

Key combinations are in brackets. Alternatively, you can use the keyboard palette.

Hope that helps.

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Posted 13 September 2011 - 04:06 PM

So exactly what is the simplest search to find all instances of dieresis?

".¨" ?

Yes,
The simple method is what you have displayed (although yes, you'll type it in Helena.)

But, in this instance, the enclosing in quotes makes no difference. For the GNT-T, I get 154 Hits searching for lexical form and for inflected form (with and without surrounding quotes). This makes sense, Helen, since the dieresis always occurs in the root, not in the inflected ending.
Still, the distinction of searching for lexical form or realized inflected form within the text is important. And in this instance, you were wanting inflected results.

Edited by Joe Weaks, 13 September 2011 - 04:11 PM.

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Posted 13 September 2011 - 05:17 PM

Yes,
The simple method is what you have displayed (although yes, you'll type it in Helena.)

But, in this instance, the enclosing in quotes makes no difference. For the GNT-T, I get 154 Hits searching for lexical form and for inflected form (with and without surrounding quotes). This makes sense, Helen, since the dieresis always occurs in the root, not in the inflected ending.
Still, the distinction of searching for lexical form or realized inflected form within the text is important. And in this instance, you were wanting inflected results.


Thank Joe. Two questions.

1. How do you type a diaresis in Helena?

2. Why doesn't this search find Ἠσαΐου in the NT?
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Posted 13 September 2011 - 11:05 PM

1. How do you type a diaresis in Helena?

2. Why doesn't this search find Ἠσαΐου in the NT?

2. The diacritical mark above ΐ includes the accent and is a separate glyph, rather than being both a ¨ and a ´.

So, to do a complete search for all dieresis, including those that are combined with each of the three accents, you need to search for:
.¨ <OR> .΅ <OR> .῭ <OR> .῁
1. Daryl posted the key combos for each of those for you, anticipating both of your questions:

⌥q, ⌥⇧q, ⌥w, and ⌥⇧w

Make sure you open up the Character Palette and hover over each character; you can see the key combos there. (Make sure you have "Diacriticals" checked at the top of the palette in order to display these.

Edited by Joe Weaks, 13 September 2011 - 11:11 PM.

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