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#61 Ken Simpson

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Posted 12 April 2014 - 01:00 AM

 

5. Accordance is FAST. It starts way faster than Logos, and searching is lightning fast. Logos' searching is getting faster with indexing, but I haven't found any Bible program that searches faster than Logos

 

 

Hi Nathan, if this is what you meant, you are the first person who I have heard say it.


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Posted 15 April 2014 - 09:04 PM

 

Hi Nathan, if this is what you meant, you are the first person who I have heard say it.

 

MAJOR typo! Meant to say Accordance! Sorry about that! :-)

 

Also, I wanted to point out that Accordance feels more stable. Stuff like Notes, I feel way more confident storing them in Accordance over Logos. All of Logos' fancy syncing features doesn't mean anything when I can't spend a decent amount of times in their note files without the program crashing. Some files are great in Logos and I don't mind using. For Bible note taking, hands down I'm sticking with Accordance. 


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Posted 29 June 2014 - 12:21 AM

I have just found that what I wanted in Accordance is now available in Logos.  Now with Logos one can search for a particular Greek word and apparently bring up most of the Greek literature references to that word from Homer into the Church Fathers, using the rather inexpensive Perseus module with the LSJ attached to it.  I just got a thrill out of seeing a long list of examples of apostas* (apostasis, apostasia, etc.) in much Greek literature. And they are also doing Loeb classics, so Loeb also is included in the search, along with commentary and lexical references to that word, even if not from the Heading entry, but as now only a select part of the Greek Loeb library is available via Logos.  This makes a fantastic resource.


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Posted 10 July 2014 - 04:38 PM

I also note that Logos has done for LSJ what I wanted from Accordance with BDAG (and all lexicons),

namely used spacing and editing to separate meanings, make them easier to read; list words separately that in print are listed with abbreviation like using a hyphen ( -) to save space, like under Apostasia, the entry for apostasis might just be -sis, etc.

The rationale is that the print version required compacting, but the electronic version does not need compacting since there are no paper & trees to save.  

 

Also Logos has Alford's Greek Testament and also the English version of Alf.  Apparently both have been spaced out (as above) for legibility.  And you can put the Greek Testament in parallel with the English version of Alf so that at least some of Alford's Latin quotations are translated into English for you.  


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Posted 06 August 2014 - 06:35 PM

I may have already mentioned this the link in my post above, but one big difference between Accordance and Logos is that in Accordance you can not only save Workspaces, but also have multiple Workspaces open at the same time. Logos does have Layouts (like Workspaces), but as soon as you open one, it replaces the one you already had open.

Regarding original languages, I often find myself with an LXX Workspace, a Hebrew Bible Workspace, and a Greek New Testament Workspace (with texts, lexica, etc. all open), all going at the same time. I don't believe this is possible in Logos.

It's become an indispensable feature of Accordance for me, though.

Also, to bkMitchell's point, there's recently been a fairly lively thread of complaint over at Logos recently about how they basically have let lapse their Original Languages Library with Logos 5. Apparently there still is something comparable to what was in L4, but you have to call customer service to even find out about it, and it's nowhere on their Website.

In this sense, Accordance really does continue to target those who are interested in original languages, academic biblical studies, etc.

 

Logos 5 replaced Original Languages with "Biblical Languages", but I believe it's only available to academic customers, not the general public. After upgrading to L5 Platinum, I "topped off" my L5 collection upgrade with the new Biblical Languages collection. It has some nice stuff in there I'll use, but it'd be better if they'd open the door up to the general public getting their hands on it. 

 

For Accordance though, I've found Essential to be the ideal sweet spot to enter into the Accordance ecosystem. Gives me a good bit of Original Languages tools, plus all the fun graphics stuff. :-)


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Posted 13 August 2014 - 09:23 PM

Over the past couple of days, I've been prepping all my Bible programs for fall semester in seminary, and here's a few additional observations I wanted to share...

 

I'm really impressed by how clean, uncluttered, and user friendly the Accordance interface is. I've hooked up a gorgeous 27" monitor to my MacBook Pro, and I'm using it to create workspaces for my Greek and Hebrew classes. I'm amazed at how much content I am able to fit in each Accordance workspace all in sync with each other and without any of it getting in the way of my primary texts I'm using. I'm able to keep open all my required classroom materials, as well as keep a few additional texts and tools in parallel panes and zones for fun, and yet I can still easily focus on my required and primary texts and tools easily. I don't know how to easily do this in any other Bible program, even Logos. While I could simulate a workspace in Logos with the same texts and tools, there would still be some additional visual clutter in the way that's just not there in Accordance. It even led me to purposely purchase some modules in Accordance format I was thinking of getting in Logos format simply because Accordance's interface gives me a cleaner, more fluid workflow.

 

On the other hand, I still had to make some purchases with Logos this summer as well. My required Greek textbook wasn't available in Accordance, but was in Logos, in addition to a few additional textbooks. Instead of wasting money and space on print books, I decided to purchase them in Logos format so I can easily use them in papers, plus the iPad syncing allows me to still read them comfortably.

 

So bottom line is, I'll be using both programs for seminary this semester, Logos for the textbooks that aren't in Accordance and Accordance when I need to dig into the Biblical languages in a simple, uncluttered, powerful interface.

 

I just consider both tools in my toolbox. Each tool has a different function for a different job.


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Posted 14 August 2014 - 03:39 PM

I just made the leap for both programs...granted I started off with Accordance first, but Accordance does feel more efficient (not just speed or space), but workflow.  However, I do notice that Accordance works great when you know what type of resource you're looking for.  Thankfully my hermeneutics prof taught us a little of when you're suppose to use what resource.

 

I could see for people who don't know where to look for answers to their questions that Logos may be appealing to them.  In Logos, the Passage Guide, Topic Guide, Exegetical Guide, etc. gives them a bunch of information for their search.  I find this approach to be helpful in some types of research, but for me I usually have a little bit of an idea of what resource I want to look up.

 

For example, for Romans 9, I would be look up a reformed commentary and see their typical response and then look for a commentary from a different view to see how they answer.  Granted I'm still learning all this so I am still a newbie, but whenever I come back to Accordance I'm still amazed at how quickly I can find something if I have an idea of where to look.

 

In short, Logos does have some cool features, but I don't quite understand why some things do or do not show up.  Again, this may be because I started off with Accordance first and I usually have an idea of what resources I need to turn to for an answer.  Also, Logos, I'm still trying to understand their platform and searching methods.


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Posted 16 August 2014 - 03:13 PM

I just made the leap for both programs...granted I started off with Accordance first, but Accordance does feel more efficient (not just speed or space), but workflow.  However, I do notice that Accordance works great when you know what type of resource you're looking for.  Thankfully my hermeneutics prof taught us a little of when you're suppose to use what resource.

 

I could see for people who don't know where to look for answers to their questions that Logos may be appealing to them.  In Logos, the Passage Guide, Topic Guide, Exegetical Guide, etc. gives them a bunch of information for their search.  I find this approach to be helpful in some types of research, but for me I usually have a little bit of an idea of what resource I want to look up.

 

For example, for Romans 9, I would be look up a reformed commentary and see their typical response and then look for a commentary from a different view to see how they answer.  Granted I'm still learning all this so I am still a newbie, but whenever I come back to Accordance I'm still amazed at how quickly I can find something if I have an idea of where to look.

 

In short, Logos does have some cool features, but I don't quite understand why some things do or do not show up.  Again, this may be because I started off with Accordance first and I usually have an idea of what resources I need to turn to for an answer.  Also, Logos, I'm still trying to understand their platform and searching methods.

 

One thing you may need to do is Prioritize Resources similar to how you've probably dragged your favorite resources to the top of each category in Accordance. Prioritizing Resources is done in the Library Window in the Prioritize pane. In both Logos and Accordance, once I learned how to Prioritize my favorite resources, as well as properly invest in my most frequently used resources, both programs became immensely more useful. I'm also glad Accordance has gotten in some of my favorites (like Butler) and made it affordable to crossgrade to them. That combo allowed me to kick my use of Accordance into overdrive.


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