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#41 arcanemuse

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 06:28 AM

It's apples and oranges, I guess,  but I have used a 10 inch android device and I just never could like it.  I have a Google Nexus I keep mostly as a toy.  It's good for a few things but to me the quality of the tablet is just not as good and the refinement of the interface just isn't there.   iPads are great for reading and playing touch based games and highlighting works well but as Tony mentioned.... typing on that virtual keyboard is painfully slow.  Then again,  I gave up even trying to send text messages a long time ago.   If you are about and about and you want to bring your Bible and some commentaries and such with you to read... it's great for that.

I got what you were saying about the cellular and maps, Dan.  I had to chuckle.  The reason for that is that all cellular devices have to have GPS built in.  That is what makes the maps work for navigation.  I was thinking .. wow... you can get turn by turn directions through the Bible Lands over 2000 years ago... that's awesome!  :-)


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Posted 26 January 2013 - 05:13 PM

It seems like an iPad of any kind is a great way to study and bring Accordance with you to church or anywhere really.  I don't have an iPad but was waiting for the rumored iPad Mini Retina this March, turns out it may not be until November due to supply issues.  My question is does anyone feel the iPad mini is too small to read for long periods of time and do users of the Retina iPad feel the iPad is too large to bring with them everywhere?  My last question is, how do I find out the size of my Accordance library so I can decide what size to get (BTW, I have Accordance 10 Bible Study w/ ESV Study Bible and the NASB95 Bible).  Sorry for so many questions.  Thanks for your help.

 

Edit:  I think I found all the Accordance files on my Mac and they come to less than 2GB.  Folder include /Applications/, ~/Library/Application Support/Accordance/, and ~/Documents/Accordance Files/

 

Hi, I have an iPad mini 32gb. I also have an iPad 2 that I've had for about a year and a half, but my wife started using it a lot so we needed another one. With the iPad 2 I discovered the goodreader app, so between Accordance and Goodreader, I am now doing the vast majority of my reading (of any kind) on my iPad. There were a couple reasons I went with an iPad mini instead of buying a new big iPad. First was price, I could get 32gbs for less than $500. Second, as I was reading more and more on my iPad 2, I increasingly became aware of the weight of it. Approx 1.5lbs is definitely light, but if you sit and read you'll want to set it on your lap. If you're in bed, this may not be as convenient. A lot of times I just like to hold it in the air... so it got heavy. The iPad mini is less then .75lbs... this has been a huge plus for me. Third, I wanted something a little more portable than the full size iPad (yes, I sense the irony in that as well  ;)). I can fit the iPad mini in the inside pocket of a jacket I wear alot. I can also slip it into the back pocket of my jeans. It sticks out a little (so I wouldn't want to walk around in a shady neighborhood like that), but only a couple inches. Now I carry it around with me almost all the time which is ALOT more than I carried my full size iPad.

 

As for reading experience... first let me say, because of Accordance and Goodreader on my iPad, my intention is to ditch paper completely. I intend to scan in anything I need to read that I don't already have in Accordance (journal articles, book chapters, books in pdf, etc). I just don't have the patience anymore to deal with organizing physical copies of class handouts or journal articles I need to read and with Goodreader I can keep track of any annotations far easier than I could with paper.

 

I have enjoyed the reading experience on my iPad mini immensly. I am almost a month into a two year reading plan to read BHS in its entirety. I have a hard copy of BHS. I have a Reader's Hebrew Bible. But Accordance on my iPad mini has been far more convenient and enjoyable. Also, I think the size of the iPad mini is preferable. It's far easier to read a narrower column than a wide one. And since increasing the font size is so easy, the narrower column has no affect on size. For my reading plan I try to do my designated daily amount, but I don't always have time to. There have been a few times already where I've fallen a few days behind but then I am able to spend an afternoon catching up. So, I've read Hebrew for a couple hours straight on it and the time never went by faster. I got completely absorbed into the narrative and didn't notice anything like the media on which I was reading or the amount of time that went by. 

 

So, in short, the size is not annoying. I think it is beneficial, enjoyable, and preferable. Now, whenever I see my wife (or anyone else) using the full size iPad, I'm shocked by the size of it. It just looks so cumbersome.

 

Oh, and as for it not being Retina... I refer you to Rick Mansfield's comments above. I think he, and the review he refers to, is right. I don't notice that it's not Retina.

 

 

One more thing in reference to other comments about typing on iPad... on the full size iPad I got to the point that I could type fairly quickly on the soft keyboard in landscape. I found that I just had to commit to sending my fingers where they ought to go and spell check took care of the rest (for the most part). On the iPad mini, this is a bit more difficult in landscape mode. However, in portrait mode (with thumbs), it is quite easy to type. I now use it for the majority of my texting (when I'm not in the car or away from wifi). I also like to type with it while on the couch watching TV. I've typed entire pages with ease and relative quickness in both Pages and in the Notes app.

 

Well, I hope some of my comments are helpful.

 

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 06:56 PM

Wow...great reply Robert!  I think I'm sold on an iPad Mini.  There are conflicting rumors saying there will be a new Retina Mini in March but the most recent rumor is that's been pushed to October.  I think I may wait another month and a half and then make my decision.  As far as typing, I see an iPad to consume information and have no intention of typing more than a few notes.  I've ben content with what little typing I do on my iPod Touch so a Mini is a huge step up in terms of convenience and size.  Thanks again for your very thorough and insightful response!



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Posted 28 January 2013 - 08:52 AM

My 64 Gb iPad feels cramped...

 

Rick - Have you seen this?  You might be able to acquire a little more elbow room.

 

http://www.macrumors...ull-size-ipad/.


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Posted 28 January 2013 - 09:05 AM

Rick - Have you seen this?  You might be able to acquire a little more elbow room.

 

http://www.macrumors...ull-size-ipad/.

No, I had not seen that. Thanks for sharing. One can only hope :-)


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Posted 28 January 2013 - 10:08 AM

These stories of the iPad Mini, and a recent friend who purchased one for regular speaking events, almost have me ready to sell one of my iPads (2 or 3) to get one. My 16GB is basically out of storage, and although reading on the retina display is great, it is big and not always necessary to be so. But, one thing that I am a bit nervous about is typing (as Robert mentioned). I take a decent amount of notes on mine at church and am good enough now doing so that it isn't a distraction and I can keep up. Switching to the Mini might take some adjusting. 

 

I've preached a few times from it as well, and the larger screen seems like it would be better for that. I read from an extended outline that is several pages long; not sure if flipping pages more frequently would be a distraction. Hmm. Anyway, thanks for all the feedback here, I've found it really helpful and has me thinking more positively about the Mini.


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Posted 28 January 2013 - 02:47 PM

Yea, I want a mini, too. If we're going to be praying for things though, how about an iPad with an SD card slot of some kind?


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Posted 28 January 2013 - 02:55 PM

Rick, as you know, I've got both an iPad 2 and an iPad mini (both 64 GB). I use mine for distinct purposes with some amount of overlap. 

 

I can tell you right now that if you do a lot of typing on your current iPads, you will be disappointed trying to type at the same speed on the iPad mini. I know that arcanemuse spoke the other day about the difficulty typing on an iPad. That's not been my experience. I have a bluetooth keyboard that can be used with my iPad, but I hardly ever use it. I'm actually very fast on the regular-size iPad virtual keyboard--probably at least 80-90% as fast as on a regular keyboard. Because of that I have no need for the external keyboard. That may just come from a lot of practice, patience, and forcing myself to use it. But I bet I haven't typed on the external keyboard in well over a year.

 

On the other hand, the iPad mini keyboard, even in landscape mode, is pretty cramped. Because one does such things when one has a new toy, I took my iPad mini into a faculty observation the other day. It was kind of fun to stroll in with nothing in my hand and then pull the mini out of my pocket. I took notes on the iPad mini for a couple of hours, and it did fine, but typing for me was a bit slower. Even in landscape mode, the keyboard is smaller than that of a netbook. Interestingly, I noticed that I was using all my fingers on my left hand, but only my index finger on my right hand--I have no idea why. For my purposes, it demonstrated that the iPad mini can be used in a pinch to take notes, but it's not something I'd want to do a heavy amount of typing. Of course, since it has dictation built in (a feature not available for my iPad 2), I suppose that this would be an option, but obviously not in a crowded room.

 

Of course for occasional typing, the iPad mini in vertical orientation is great for thumb-typing--seriously. 

 

I've also preached sermons from my regular-sized iPad and have even led three wedding ceremonies with it. And yet, even with the ability to increase the font size, I think the iPad mini would frustrate me from having to turn the pages too often. It reminds me of an experience more than a decade ago, when I tried to lead a Bible study from notes I had on a Palm Pilot. Yes, I could do it, but I had to move to the next screen too often for it to be practical. My hunch is that preaching from an iPad mini might have the same sensation, although not to the same degree as the Palm Pilot.

 

On the other hand, for the entire past month, I've successfully taught from the iPad mini on Sunday mornings, using Keynote and presenter notes, without any major problems. I don't know, though, if there's any major reason for doing so other than the convenience of carrying such a small device. Arcanemuse wrote a few days ago about taking his MacBook Air to church. I took a Mac notebook of varying sizes to church for years for teaching. It was so liberating on that first Sunday in April, 2010, to leave my computer bag at home and instead carry the iPad in my hand and a VGA adapter in my pocket. The iPad mini is even more convenient to carry, but if I were preaching every Sunday, I'd want the larger iPad I think.

 

I probably said this before, but I use an iPad the same way I used to use a laptop, and I use a laptop the same way I used to use a desktop machine. I can't necessarily make that same leap in regard to iPads. I use the mini as a reader and for light teaching. It's very handy, but I imagine if I could only have one device, I'd probably choose the regular-sized iPad. I just don't want to have to make that choice :-)


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Posted 28 January 2013 - 02:57 PM

Yea, I want a mini, too. If we're going to be praying for things though, how about an iPad with an SD card slot of some kind?

 

Tim, it will never happen. The best you can do is the hack that lets you connect a thumbdrive to the camera connector. Jobs didn't want a whole lot of slots and buttons on his devices, and I can't imagine that the current PTB is going to change much in that regard.


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Posted 29 January 2013 - 09:34 AM

My 64 Gb iPad feels cramped...

 

Rick -

 

Official announcement by Apple - 128G is on the way - http://www.macrumors...-5-for-799929/.


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Posted 29 January 2013 - 10:17 AM

Excellent news! Thanks, Julie. 


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Posted 05 February 2013 - 09:06 AM

My 64 Gb iPad feels cramped...

 

Rick -

 

The new one is now available.  http://store.apple.c...ad/family/ipad.  That was fast!  

 

I wonder when the next refresh is coming?  Apple just released the "4" in October.  Are they moving to a fall schedule, as some have proposed, or perhaps a biannual one?


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Posted 05 February 2013 - 09:29 AM

Thanks for the update, Julie. 

 

Yes, that is the question, isn't it: buy now or wait until later? Of course, just yesterday, I got a notice on my iPad that I only had 5 MB of space left. This is pretty frequent, and I have to juggle things around. 

 

Of course, I don't really have the funds at the moment. Getting a 128 GB iPad would depend upon selling my iPad 2 and my iPad mini, and then I'd have to scrounge up the difference, but maybe I can start working toward that. 

 

And I'd go with the WiFi-only version, if it weren't for the fact that GPS only comes with the WiFi + cellular. 


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Posted 05 February 2013 - 09:36 AM

We're got a friend in ministry who is a pilot.  He uses the plane to get to speaking locations, and my husband or one of the other guys in the ministry group sometimes accompany him.  He will be getting the larger capacity iPad, but has to have the GPS, also, for all his flight stuff.  Not having to carry all the weight of the flight maps is huge for small aircraft.  


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Posted 05 February 2013 - 09:44 AM

We're got a friend in ministry who is a pilot.  He uses the plane to get to speaking locations, and my husband or one of the other guys in the ministry group sometimes accompany him.  He will be getting the larger capacity iPad, but has to have the GPS, also, for all his flight stuff.  Not having to carry all the weight of the flight maps is huge for small aircraft.  

A little off topic but do you know if the GPS in the iPad works without a SIM or cellular contract?  In addition to using an iPad to study and read, I'd like to use it as a golf GPS to know how far I am from the hole or how to find my way back out of the woods after losing a ball.  I don't want a cell phone bill or contract.  Thanks.



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Posted 05 February 2013 - 09:57 AM

I think he needs the Wi-Fi + Cellular to be able to use the iPad in flight.  There's something he plugs into the port that enables him to use satellite GPS.  Anyway, he's a big iPad fan (and Mac fan).

 

I don't want the cell phone bill or contract with my iPad, either, though I think you can buy service for an iPad on a month-by-month basis.  I just don't need it, and don't want to pay for it.  Not with the initial iPad purchase, and not with a monthly bill.

 

We won't be upgrading our iPads for a while, yet.  We've got Retina iPads with the old connectors.  Next time I will get probably the 64G one, however.  I am frequently down to 5G or less on mine, and am careful not to keep much video on it.  We will probably be moving to biennial iPad refreshes which is what we do with our phones.  I don't really have to make a decision now.  


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Posted 05 February 2013 - 10:06 AM

A little off topic but do you know if the GPS in the iPad works without a SIM or cellular contract?  In addition to using an iPad to study and read, I'd like to use it as a golf GPS to know how far I am from the hole or how to find my way back out of the woods after losing a ball.  I don't want a cell phone bill or contract.  Thanks.

 

I had a wifi + 3G iPad 1, and the GPS worked fine without a cell contract/service. It was a separate piece of hardware inside the device. I'm sure it's the same with the latest hardware (I now have a wifi-only iPad 3).


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Posted 05 February 2013 - 12:24 PM

That's good news.  I know the GPS doesn't work without a cellular signall as iPhone and iPad use cell towers to acquire GPS.



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Posted 05 February 2013 - 12:41 PM

They use cell/wifi when they are available, but even without those signals, the GPS can locate you. It just takes a little longer. You also can't load online map data without a data connection, but some GPS apps have all the map data stored locally on your device.


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Posted 05 February 2013 - 12:47 PM

Perfect, now to wait for Retina iPad Mini (March or October) or just get a non-Retina iPad Mini now? 






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