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#1 Manfred

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Posted 14 July 2006 - 04:52 AM

Hi there.

I'm new to the timeline module. Maybe I missed something but all the individuals from Adam to Terah's father are not included. There were a lot of important and interessting individuals like Noah, Sem, Melchisedek, Enoch which are not listed.
Why are they not included?
Is there a way to edit the Timeline module?


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#2 Robb Brunansky

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Posted 14 July 2006 - 06:19 AM

Manfred,

You can add other events or individuals by going to the Edit User Item option on the second list box menu on the far left-top of the timeline module. I also have regretted Adam and forward till Terah being omitted. At one point I tried to add them all manually, but I never had success getting them to show up by default after I added them whenever I started the timeline. Could someone explain how to get User Items to show up by default when the timeline is opened? Thanks!
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Posted 14 July 2006 - 06:25 AM

You can add other events or individuals by going to the Edit User Item option on the second list box menu on the far left-top of the timeline module. I also have regretted Adam and forward till Terah being omitted.


Ahh, thanks.

There is a big discrepancy for Noah to Abraham between LXX and masoretes texts. Maybe that's why they do not have included Noah to Abraham. Just a guess.


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Posted 14 July 2006 - 06:37 AM

That may be the reason, although I suppose they could use the MT as the basis of the "conservative" dating and the LXX as the basis for the "critical" dating, or some other dating system, or leave them off critical dating.
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Posted 14 July 2006 - 07:00 AM

Yes you are right.

I noticed, there is a big difference between conservative and critical already for Abraham's birth. That is 2165 for conservative and 1853 for critical.
What are the sources for conservative and critical?


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Edited by Manfred, 14 July 2006 - 07:41 AM.


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Posted 14 July 2006 - 09:07 AM

Maybe they left it out because placing Adam on the timeline would start a firestorm of emails / posts about his position on the timeline? Just wondering... where would you place him? ;) I think Oaktree made the right call by leaving them out.

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Posted 14 July 2006 - 09:19 AM

I say you just take the years stated in the Genesis account (MT) and add them up. Surely putting Nahor on the timeline wouldn't be difficult, and then backtracking from him to Adam is just a matter of simple arithmetic. If Oak Tree wanted to accomodate those who reject a historical view of Genesis 1-3 (or 1-11), they could do that in the critical version of the timeline, or leave Adam's beginning fuzzy like they do on other people of which we are uncertain of their precise birth/death dates.

Overall, I love the timeline module, and I can add in the people from Gen 1-11 pretty easily myself. My question still remains, how can I get them to show up by default when I open the timeline? I'm still trying to figure that one out.
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Posted 14 July 2006 - 12:14 PM

Overall, I love the timeline module, and I can add in the people from Gen 1-11 pretty easily myself. My question still remains, how can I get them to show up by default when I open the timeline? I'm still trying to figure that one out.

Sorry, have no correct answer to your question but you can create a new custom list and add all events, individuals, and all other stuff that you need to it. If you then display this list only, all you need should be there.
This would be a workaround to your question.

I have another question:
Is it possible to set the beginning of the timeline to less than -3000?


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Posted 15 July 2006 - 09:14 AM

We decided to limit the Timeline to events which can be dated archaelologically/historically, which is why the earliest date is 3000 BC. Pre-Abrahamic people and events can be dated only by the geneologies in Genesis, and many scholars would not take these as an accurate method of dating.

Therefore, even the Conservative system of dating we use is limited to Abraham and later. Those who want a literal interpretation of the dates of Genesis will have to look elsewhere.
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Posted 15 July 2006 - 09:37 AM

We decided to limit the Timeline to events which can be dated archaelologically/historically, which is why the earliest date is 3000 BC. Pre-Abrahamic people and events can be dated only by the geneologies in Genesis, and many scholars would not take these as an accurate method of dating.

I understand that you only want to include such events that can be archaelologically/historically dated. But limiting the timeline (earliest date) for the user is another thing. If many schoolars would take this as an accurate method of dating or not is up to them. This must not be an issue for limiting the earliest date in the timeline. Altering the earliest date or letting the user set the earliest date should not be very difficult. I would appreciate if this could be integrated into the timeline module.

Therefore, even the Conservative system of dating we use is limited to Abraham and later. Those who want a literal interpretation of the dates of Genesis will have to look elsewhere.

Well, you must not interpred it for me. But it would be nice if I would have the chance to insert events that I want to insert, before 3000 BC, too.


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Posted 15 July 2006 - 11:36 AM

We who believe Genesis is historical/true can also insert the people/events as user items. Is there a way to make them show up by default like all the standard items show up when the timeline is opened?
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Posted 15 July 2006 - 03:25 PM

Well, you must not interpred it for me. But it would be nice if I would have the chance to insert events that I want to insert, before 3000 BC, too.


Sorry, I meant, you need not to interpred it.
My english is not the best. :)


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Posted 15 July 2006 - 06:20 PM

It would require some programming to enable dates earlier than 3000.

Any user items can be added to any Custom list which can then be displayed as the default. If this is to display all items, you need to create a custom list which includes all the predefined items and all your user items, but you will need to update it anytime you create more user items. It is easily created by clicking All above each item list.

There is a default Custom list and Item layer which displays all user items which allows you quickly to see each item you have added, and automatically updates with new items.
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Posted 15 July 2006 - 07:26 PM

Thanks! That's what I was needing!
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Posted 16 July 2006 - 09:55 AM

It would require some programming to enable dates earlier than 3000.

I guessed something like this. Is it a big efford to change this? Do you have to change the timeline module or the Accordance app itself? If in Accordance app you could change it and bring it in an update.


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Posted 18 July 2006 - 03:33 AM

Sorry, Helen, if my postings must have seen a bit rude. This mainly is because english is not my native language.
But to be honest, with the limit to 3000 BC I am not very happy.
And sorry, I have to ask again.
Do you see a chance that this can be changed by the developers/programmers in a not very far future?


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Posted 18 July 2006 - 04:26 AM

I note that the timeline actually goes up to 3020 AD, which is great if you have a very accurate prophetic gifting. Why not take the last 1000 years (from 2020 to 3020) and jiggle them internally, putting them at the beginning?

Surely it would be a lot easier to redifine the current 6000 year span than it would be to add a thousand years at the beginning.

This could be a satisfactory practical workaround, but it depends on how many thousands of years Manfred needs prior to 3000BC.

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Posted 18 July 2006 - 05:04 AM

I note that the timeline actually goes up to 3020 AD, which is great if you have a very accurate prophetic gifting. Why not take the last 1000 years (from 2020 to 3020) and jiggle them internally, putting them at the beginning?

I think I didn't understand. :D


This could be a satisfactory practical workaround, but it depends on how many thousands of years Manfred needs prior to 3000BC.

Well. I think for a bible study tool or with the timeline module of a bible study tool it should be possible to map Adam (maybe plus -1000 years) at the least. All the generations to go back to Adam are listed in the bible to do so. If they are to be taken literally or not should not be the question.


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Posted 18 July 2006 - 05:50 AM

Manfred,

My suggestion to "internally jiggle" the timeline is meant for the software developers, not for users!

Also, after further investigation, I have discovered the timeline goes up to 15,000 AD.

Not only is this unnecessary, it is simply quite ridiculous! Extend the timeline backwards by all means, but do we really need 10,000 redundant years?


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Edited by Alistair, 18 July 2006 - 06:11 AM.


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Posted 01 August 2006 - 10:29 PM

Just wanted to compliment Oaktree for their rapid response to this thread in 7.0.3. Impressive...




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