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#1 StephenFroggatt

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 02:49 AM

The English Cathedral Psalter is still in use today in English Cathedrals and large Churches - if you attend a traditional Evensong then you can virtually guarantee that the Psalms being chanted by the choir will be taken from it. The ECP uses the Coverdale Translation of the Psalms, and not the King James Version, which came later. Coverdale also provides the Scripture passages in the Book of Common Prayer. It is an important translation historically - how wonderful, then, to have it available within Accordance.

 

Psalm 46 from the (Coverdale) English Cathedral Psalter:

 

God is our | hope and | strength: a very | present | help in | trouble.

Therefore we will not fear, though the | earth be | moved ; and though the hills be carried into the | midst | of the | sea.

Though the waters thereof | rage and | swell: and the mountains shake at the | tempest | of the | same.

The rivers of the flood thereof, shall make glad the | city of | God: the holy place of the tabernacle | of the | most | Highest.

God is in the midst of her * therefore shall she not | be re- | -moved: God shall | help her and | that right | early.

The heathen make much ado and the | kingdoms are | moved: but God hath shewed his voice and the | earth shall | melt a- | -way.

The Lord of | Hosts is | with us: the God of | Jacob | is our | refuge.

O come hither and behold the works | of the | Lord: what destruction he hath | brought up- | -on the | earth.

He maketh wars to cease in | all the | world: he breaketh the bow, and knappeth the spear in sunder * and burneth the | chariots | in the | fire.

Be still then, and know that | I am | God: I will be exalted among the heathen * and I will be ex- | -alted | in the | earth.

The Lord of | Hosts is | with us: the God of | Jacob | is our | refuge.

 
Psalm 46 from the King James Version:
 

1 God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble. 

2 Therefore will not we fear, though the earth be removed, and though the mountains be carried into the midst of the sea; 

3 Though the waters thereof roar and be troubled, though the mountains shake with the swelling thereof. Selah. 

4 There is a river, the streams whereof shall make glad the city of God, the holy place of the tabernacles of the most High. 

5 God is in the midst of her; she shall not be moved: God shall help her, and that right early. 

6  The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted. 

7 The LORD of hosts is with us; the God of Jacob is our refuge. Selah. 

8 Come, behold the works of the LORD, what desolations he hath made in the earth. 

9 He maketh wars to cease unto the end of the earth; he breaketh the bow, and cutteth the spear in sunder; he burneth the chariot in the fire. 

10 Be still, and know that I am God: I will be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth. 

11 The LORD of hosts is with us; the God of Jacob is our refuge.

 


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Posted 06 February 2013 - 09:37 AM

For a very long time I have wished that Accordance would offer the entire 1662 Book of Common Prayer with the Coverdale Psalter. For those who know it, it is a very special translation indeed.

 

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:10 AM

Like this?

 

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We've got the 1662 BCP finished (still needs some minor edits) but are holding it to research a larger collection of resources and versions of the BCP.


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Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:30 AM

Wonderful news, Rick! Definite 'LIKE'  :)  for that! Looking forwards to hearing more about its eventual release. Thanks for such an encouraging response.



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Posted 06 February 2013 - 12:19 PM

YES!!!


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Posted 06 February 2013 - 12:20 PM

I would love to have the BCP in Accordance. Great idea, and thanks!


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Posted 06 February 2013 - 01:36 PM

What other versions of the BCP do you all use?


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Posted 06 February 2013 - 01:53 PM

The 1979 BCP of the Episcopal Church.  I used it regularly when I was in seminary, less often now.  But do still use it from time to time.  I'd enjoy having it available in Accordance; I'd probably make more use of it if I had it in Accordance than I do now.


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Posted 06 February 2013 - 01:58 PM

The 1928 U. S. Book of Common Prayer + 1662 BCP. 

 

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 02:27 PM

I use the 1979 BCP daily and refer to the 1928 version regularly. All of this in addition to using the 1662 version which is of course the grandaddy. Not the first but the one from which later versions have come.


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Posted 06 February 2013 - 02:50 PM

1549!!! I don't "use" it, but it's definitely a wonderful (and the original) edition. Essential for work on the historical BCP. (IMHO)


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Posted 06 February 2013 - 02:58 PM

1979 is probably most widely used in the U.S. today.

 

England has a Book of Common Worship (2000 or so?) which is stellar. Would be great to have that, too. PDFs are already all available (freely). More on that resource here.


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Posted 06 February 2013 - 03:25 PM

Slightly off-topic, but The Church of England's Common Worship is not actually available for commercial re-selling. The pdfs are provided freely for individual liturgical use only, and with restrictions. Copyright in all content is held by The Archbishops' Council Of The Church Of England © 2000.



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Posted 06 February 2013 - 03:30 PM

Hi, Stephen,

 

I don't have time to read their liturgical copyright guide closely now, but what you say is right, although it looks like they'd entertain a written request and possible fee for commercial use--just that it can't be used that way without permission and paying a license? You may know better than I, though.


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Posted 06 February 2013 - 03:31 PM

Slightly off-topic, but The Church of England's Common Worship is not actually available for commercial re-selling. The pdfs are provided freely for individual liturgical use only, and with restrictions. Copyright in all content is held by The Archbishops' Council Of The Church Of England © 2000.

 

 

Hi, Stephen,

 

I don't have time to read their liturgical copyright guide closely now, but what you say is right, although it looks like they'd entertain a written request and possible fee for commercial use--just that it can't be used that way without permission and paying a license? You may know better than I, though.

 

We would never use anything posted online without researching any potential issues with rights, etc. 

 

Thanks…


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Posted 06 February 2013 - 03:34 PM

Right-o. I probably wasn't clear in my reference to pdfs. What I meant to say was--there are already etexts available, so at least that part of the process would (theoretically?) make it easier for Accordance to move ahead with getting permission/license, etc. for the Book of Common Worship.



Rick, I know Accordance is often reluctant to ofter ETAs of modules, but is there a general timeframe and price range for when the BCP is coming? Also, would it be multiple years/versions (e.g., 1662/1928/1979) in one package?


Excited about this news. Thank you for working on it.


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Posted 06 February 2013 - 03:38 PM

Rick, I know Accordance is often reluctant to ofter ETAs of modules, but is there a general timeframe and price range for when the BCP is coming? Also, would it be multiple years/versions (e.g., 1662/1928/1979) in one package?


Excited about this news. Thank you for working on it.

 

As mentioned, the 1662 edition is basically done. But instead of releasing one version and having multiple people chime in on the version they prefer, we'd rather research this and release a collection. We've been doing that already and the comments in this thread also help. That said, I cannot give an exact date since we have more work to do on it, in addition to many other concurrent projects.

 

I hope this helps…


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Posted 06 February 2013 - 03:44 PM

Yes, that's helpful. Thanks!

 

Accordance doesn't have hymnals, right? Silly question, I know--there's probably no way to display music. I've seen a couple of hymn resources (with just lyrics).

 

But I ask because while we're on Episcopal/Anglican resources, the 1982 Hymnal would be fun to have... even if words only with an index and ability to search by hymn heading, title number, lyrics, etc.


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Posted 06 February 2013 - 06:17 PM

Yes, that's helpful. Thanks!

 

Accordance doesn't have hymnals, right? Silly question, I know--there's probably no way to display music. I've seen a couple of hymn resources (with just lyrics).

 

But I ask because while we're on Episcopal/Anglican resources, the 1982 Hymnal would be fun to have... even if words only with an index and ability to search by hymn heading, title number, lyrics, etc.

Not Accordance, of course, but have you looked at hymnary.org for this kind of thing?


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Posted 06 February 2013 - 06:33 PM

We have Hymns, Hymn Writers, and the works of Isaac Watts, all of which I believe come in the Bible Study package or higher.  Is this what you are looking for?


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