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#21 Abram K-J

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 07:40 PM

Those are all great, Joel, and have been on my wish list for some time. I'm probably going to break down and purchase the $49 Basic Group on Primary 9 pretty soon, since it contains all of those.

 

I was asking specifically about the 1982 Hymnal, which has quite a good selection of hymns (more than what's currently in Accordance). Talking about the BCP made me think of it, since it's another staple resource for Episcopal worship.

 

Lorinda, yes--a great site! Oremus is also helpful. The more I use Accordance (and even the more I use other Bible softwares) the more I am consistently impressed with the layout, functionality, diverse search fields, etc. So having the full 1982 Hymnal integrated into Accordance would be great... but probably not a huge market for it, and probably not something serious church musicians (e.g., organists) would make use of for lyrics alone. But I'd buy it! :)


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Posted 07 February 2013 - 02:21 AM

Alongside the BCP, the other Anglican staple has always been "Hymns Ancient and Modern" (first published 1891, revised several times). My copy of BCP has Hymns A&M at the back, yet still the whole fits in its little slipcase which is less than 2.5 x 8.5 x 12.5 cm. The full list of hymns in this particular edition (with texts) is provided on the Oremus Hymnal website.

 

According to the new Hymns A&M Website:

There are three books in the 'splendid trilogy with which the Anglican Church has endowed the English-speaking world'.*  The 1662 Book of Common Prayer possessed statutory authority and clergymen had to use it in their religious services or they faced ejection from the church and the label of dissenter. The Authorised Version of the Bible, first published in 1661 at the behest of King James I, 'Translated out of the original tongues and with the former translations diligently compared and revised by his majesty's special command' is 'appointed to be read in churches'. 


And then there is the hymn book, Hymns Ancient and Modern.

There is a story that George V once attended divine service on board one of the ships of the Royal Navy and was handed a copy of a hymn book but it wasn't the one he was expecting. 'I never authorised this' he exclaimed looking at the copy of The English Hymnal.  Apparently, some tact was needed to explain to the King that he had never been called upon to authorise any hymn book.  The book he'd been expecting to use, Hymns Ancient and Modern, had been part of his family's devotional experience since its first publication in 1861. It was the hymn book used at the funeral service of Albert, Prince Consort in St Paul's Cathedral in December of that year.  It had been in use in the Royal Chapel at Windsor since his grandmother Queen Victoria 'took a fancy to some special hymn tunes in Hymns Ancient and Modern.' ** His mother Alexandra, then Princess of Wales, had given him and all his siblings a copy of Hymns Ancient and Modern on their confirmation.  And a special souvenir edition of Hymns Ancient and Modern had been published in 1911 to commemorate his coronation. 

It's no wonder that George V thought that Hymns Ancient and Modern was authorised by royal decree.  However, the book's status and sales of over 150 million copies in the 150 years of its existence owed nothing to royal intervention or official endorsement from the Church of England. Instead, Hymns Ancient and Modern has reached near ubiquity in parish churches and its iconic status as the establishment hymn book on its own merits as a hymn book that worked for most of the people, most of the time.  It was created by hard-working Victorian clergymen who knew the value of devotional music and wanted their congregations to have the best.  Hymns Ancient and Modern was not ordered into existence by a King anxious for control or a committee seeking uniformity.  Rather, it was a book that was created in a spirit of collaboration by men and women who understood the power of hymnody and wanted to use it to improve congregational worship for everybody. The founders of Hymns Ancient and Modern created a book that became a national institution. 

 

*Stanley Thomas Bindoff, Tudor England


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Posted 07 February 2013 - 10:40 AM

I use the Trinity hymnal for my personal worship and would love to have that resource in Accordance.  But even more, I'd love to have the music as well - perhaps as images in the modules which can be clicked and enlarged / viewed full screen? Then I would be able to do searches based on Scripture or English content or meter or author and that'd be pretty cool.

 

But as for the Book of Common Prayer, I'd like to see the 1662 and the 1928 versions as well as the 1979.


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Posted 07 February 2013 - 12:23 PM

Regarding the BCP, I would vote firmly for the 1662, but request again the English Cathedral Psalter, ideally with those glorious associated music chants as image files.

ECP is currently online here.

If it's one or the other then obviously it's a vote for BCP since the Coverdale Translation of the Psalms is within.



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Posted 07 February 2013 - 02:23 PM

Thanks for all the feedback here; very helpful.


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Posted 07 February 2013 - 04:05 PM

Hi Rick,

I agree wholeheartedly that the 1662 is "the" BCP to have, with the 39 articles (and the rubrics!). The Act of Uniformity is important too (at the front of all the full prayerbooks). I would add at least the 1549 version with its shorter version of the articles

1552 was a significant edition as it became more reformed, then there was the 1559 revision under Elizabeth that introduced some significant shifts in language back towards 1549.

In a perfect world I would like to see all of these versions in a BCP module as each one has a significant place in the history of the Church of England. protestant theology and the Book of Common Prayer,


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Posted 07 February 2013 - 08:27 PM

Of course, it is essential that one be able to compare the various editions, particularly those that have a great deal of conformity.

 

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 09:23 AM

If you do think that common worship is appropriate, please put links to the lectionary. This is my biggest frustration that I look in a calendar to find the 'week' such as 2nd before lent and then to the lectionary to find the set readings, and then to a bible to find what the readings actually are! And don't forget times and seasons as well! I suspect this will be a long way off! ;o) Not sure if I am allowed to mention this but as to hymns, i use hymnquest which is an invaluable resource and a very specialist piece of software ( and i don't consider it a competitor as it has a very different focus).
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Posted 11 February 2013 - 09:26 AM

If you do think that common worship is appropriate, please put links to the lectionary. This is my biggest frustration that I look in a calendar to find the 'week' such as 2nd before lent and then to the lectionary to find the set readings, and then to a bible to find what the readings actually are! And don't forget times and seasons as well! I suspect this will be a long way off! ;o) Not sure if I am allowed to mention this but as to hymns, i use hymnquest which is an invaluable resource and a very specialist piece of software ( and i don't consider it a competitor as it has a very different focus).
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Posted 11 February 2013 - 11:20 AM

A more ambitious project would be to produce an edition of the Anglican Breviary. The most difficult thing about the breviary is working out what to pray for each hour. It would be fantastic to be able to have an electronic edition that works all this out for me. 

 

http://www.anglicanbreviary.net/

 

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 02:33 PM

Rari,

 

While you are waiting you might be interested in the RC Breviary/Prayer of the Church in www. universalis.com (I did not know how to make a link as you did!)

 

I do hope I am allowed to 'advertise' that. I am open to 'correction' if that is not the case!

 

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Posted 25 September 2013 - 07:14 AM

Rick and others--curious if a BCP and related-books module(s) is still in the pipeline? Or did it release and I missed it?


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Posted 28 October 2013 - 07:09 AM

Just a little bump on this thread to note that this user would gladly use the BCP (especially 1979) in Accordance, if offered.


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Posted 08 January 2014 - 10:03 AM

I hope all the requests for various editions of BCPs haven't derailed the project. I was just looking back over this thread and saw again that Rick posted a screenshot of the 1662 BCP. Here's to hoping something releases soon-ish. I think a lot of folks would get it.

 

And not to further add to the requests, but one really cool resource (that I don't think is available anywhere electronically?) would be Marion J. Hatchett's Commentary on the American Prayer Book, which is based on the 1979 BCP.


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