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#1 jedinburgh

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Posted 13 June 2013 - 07:49 AM

Is there a way to do this:

 

(1) search for a Hebrew term in BHS

(2) search for a Greek term in LXX, but only within the results of (1)

 

My goal in this is really to obtain data similar to what can be found in Hatch and Redpath's concordance.



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Posted 13 June 2013 - 08:04 AM

You can search for a Hebrew lemma and then use the [CONTENTS] command in another search box with the LXX as your search text. For example:

 

Search for "bra" in BHS-W4. Open another search window set to LXX1 and write "poiew AND [CONTENTS BHS-W4]". Is this what you are after?

 

Actually, you don't need to type everything. Type "poiew", command-shift-A and command-shift-C.


Edited by Ruben Gomez, 13 June 2013 - 08:07 AM.


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Posted 13 June 2013 - 08:07 AM

You would also find the MT-LXX database helpful here. 


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Posted 13 June 2013 - 08:09 AM

Yes, of course, MT-LXX would be much better. I was simply trying to answer the scenario suggested by the original poster.



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Posted 13 June 2013 - 08:12 AM

Excellent.  Thank you. 



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Posted 13 June 2013 - 08:17 AM

Another question: In what ways would the MT-LXX database be better. 



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Posted 13 June 2013 - 08:23 AM

It's more precise. Using the Contents command will find verses that contain both your chosen Hebrew word and chosen Greek word, but that doesn't mean that one was used to translate the other. They could be in two different phrases, for example. The MT-LXX database matches them up so you can see where a given Hebrew word was translated with a particular Greek word. 


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Posted 13 June 2013 - 08:41 AM

I think, then, I'm also having trouble searching MT-LXX properly.  By just search for a Hebrew term AND a Greek term, it still shows whole verses in which the two occur, but where the Greek does not necessarily translate the Hebrew.  Is this better, simply because it's easier to identify this by sight, or is there a better way to conduct this sort of search?

 

Additionally, is there a way to search within MT-LXX that does not yeild only the exact lemma?



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Posted 13 June 2013 - 08:45 AM

ArBe sure you limit the search to search by 'Paragraph' under the search options menu (the magnifying glass on the left side of the entry box).

 

What do you mean, not only the exact lemma? It will bring in whatever hits were found in your hebrew or greek search, regardless of what search they contained ([VERB aor] [LINK Construct] etc.)


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Posted 13 June 2013 - 08:55 AM

Got it on the search limitation.

 

Concerning the other questions, please see attached photo, for instance. Is there a way to accomplish this search without having to enter the 2 different forms of the noun κληρονομία?



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Posted 13 June 2013 - 08:58 AM

Trouble with the picture.

 

Basically, the question is, for instance, if I can search for all forms of a particular noun without having to enter every form into the search field.



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Posted 13 June 2013 - 09:28 AM

Run your searches in the Hebrew and Greek, then open the MT-LXX and use Merge command, i.e. [MERGE HMT-W4] <AND> [MERGE LXX1].


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Posted 13 June 2013 - 09:51 AM

Many thanks.  Exactly what i was going for.



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Posted 13 June 2013 - 10:44 AM

Jedinburgh:

 

The MT-LXX module is not morphologically tagged, as say the LXX1 (Rahlfs) or the BHS. Thus, any search you run in the MT-LXX will be based on the inflected form (or more linguistically accurate the accidence of a lemma). Consequently, the merge command (syntax "[MERGE <tab name>]") effectively associates the tagging of LXX1 or BHS with the MT-LXX. Your search will therefore need to be executed within the tagged text.

 

The MT-LXX can give you all the information that Hatch and Redpath (HR) can give you. Tov admits as much in the recent revised introduction to HR. With some additional work on the database (which I believe Tov is editing it again) and some additional programming, the MT-LXX could render even more valuable information to the researcher.



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Posted 10 July 2013 - 01:49 PM

I have a saved workspace using BHS-W4, LXX1, and MT-LXX Parallel with tabs already set up and renamed (so as not to conflict with other workspaces) that I use specifically for running these kinds of searches. It is set up to allow me to search for a Hebrew lemma in BHS and a Greek lemma in LXX1 and automatically generate results (in different tabs) that reflect when the Greek word is used for the Hebrew word, when the Hebrew word is used but a different Greek word is used instead, and when the Greek word is used but for a word other than the Hebrew word. I'll attach it here if the forum lets me, so that others may use it, too. I would welcome comments and feedback from others who are running these kinds of searches.

 

I can't seem to find a way to attach it, but it is available at this link: https://www.dropbox....296rjvf9g/MTLXX



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Posted 10 July 2013 - 04:38 PM

Hi Tony,

would you be happy for me to add this workspace to the Accordance Exchange? Someone else might find it useful!


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 08:48 PM

Hi Ken,

 

Yes, please do! I've found it particularly helpful for working in LXX Psalms. I only wish we had a tagged SInaiticus text for the OT…

 

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 12:50 PM

Thanks for this, Tony. 

 

I don't have BHS-W4. (I thought I did, but it's not in my library.) I don't suppose you have BHS-T or HMT-W4 with which you could build and re-post this Workspace? If that's too much trouble, no problem at all.


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Posted 11 July 2013 - 05:32 PM

Since BHS-W4 is a deprecated module, I will remake it with HMT-W4 and post it on the exchange over the weekend.


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Posted 11 July 2013 - 07:40 PM

Thank you, Ken!

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