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#21 Gordon

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 02:05 AM

Thanks to Helen for enlightening me on how to search for the cantillation marks in exact order.

 

period, cantillation mark, space 

followed by 

period, cantillation mark, space

etc

to produce the phrase in the exact order


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Posted 02 July 2014 - 02:38 AM

Thanks to Ken.  I had typed in the WRONG cantillation marks so was not getting the proper expected results


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Posted 02 July 2014 - 02:44 AM

On the Hebrew character chart, what is the difference between the dehi/tipha cantillation mark and the tiphah cantillation mark?


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Posted 02 July 2014 - 02:50 AM

Ken,

I just found that I can answer my own question by looking in the HELP file!  \ :D

The dehi/tipha is for searching in the poetic sections that's why I was only getting results from Psalms, Proverbs and not the entire Tanach.


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Posted 02 July 2014 - 03:44 AM

Yep - in the BHS guide, which you should have it says this...

 

 

In the section on the disjunctive accents of the 21 books it says...

אא֖א ṭip̄ḥāh Divides units between ʾaṯnaḥ and sillûq, when main division comes on first word preceding ʾaṯnaḥ or sillûq. If zāqēp̄ divides the unit,ṭip̄ḥāh divides units between zāqēp̄ and ʾaṯnaḥ or sillûq. One servus (mêrᵉḵâʾ) or none.

 

אא֖א mâyᵉlāʾ (or mᵉʾayyᵉlāʾ) Variant of ṭip̄ḥāh. Marks secondary accent in words with sillûq or ʾaṯnaḥ.

 
 
 
and in the section on the disjunctive accents of the 3 books (Job, Psalms, Proverbs) it says
 

א֭אא dᵉḥı̂

(PREPOSITIVE) Divides unit ending with ʾaṯnaḥ. Up to three servi. Prepositive position differentiates it from ṭarḥāʾ.

 
Is that what you were looking for in an explanation?

 

So the mayela has to have a silluq or atnakh as well.

 

The dehi only occurs in the poetic books, is prepositive


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Posted 02 July 2014 - 03:50 AM

Re your question about searching for the cantillation marks in that order where all four are present, the search we provided does exactly that. If you do what you have above, any verse will have to have them in the exact order and it won't be able to omit any.

 

period, cantillation mark, space 

followed by 

period, cantillation mark, space

etc

to produce the phrase in the exact order

 

So, you should be able to do your search perfectly well now. :-)


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Posted 02 July 2014 - 07:52 AM

I don't have the BHS guide but no matter.

 

My problem was that the character chart was a bit confusing since the tiphah and the dehi/tipha look exactly alike on the chart and I wasn't paying attention to the names of the cantillation (trope) marks.  I always knew that what is called Sifrey Emet  אמת Iyov,Mishley and Tehilim have different trope but I didn't realize that the chart differentiated between the trope in the sifrey emet and the rest of the books.

 

In any event, I know have better insight into how to use the character chart.

 

Thanks


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Posted 02 July 2014 - 07:11 PM

Hi Gordon,

sorry - didn't mean to tell you how to suck eggs. I apologise.

 

I am interested that you don't have the guide though. The website says it comes with

 

Original Languages

Essential

Advanced and

Ultimate

 

Do you not have one of these collections? If you do, you should check your easy install. I find the guide quite helpful.


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Posted 03 July 2014 - 12:10 AM

Gordon has focused on the Hebrew texts in his purchases, rather than our Collections. His choice.


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