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#1 Douglas Fyfe

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Posted 16 May 2014 - 10:22 PM

This is an issue that came up in our Sydney seminar. When copying from instant details, Hebrew comes out wrongly.

 

for example, ויאמר pasted into a word processor comes out :

 

y¥øamVr?w…  )amr(     amr_1  Verb qal wawConsec 3 masc plur  to say 
[ESVS] H0559  said  

 

 


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Posted 17 May 2014 - 12:00 AM

This is what I get with export set to unicode. Yes, the spaces and parentheses are problematic, but the Hebrew looks correct. 

 

יֹּאמֶרyoʾmer   (אמר)    אמר־1 (ʾmr)    ʾmr-1  Verb qal wawConsec 3 masc sing  to say (Predicate)

[HCSBS] H0559  replied


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Posted 17 May 2014 - 11:31 AM

FYI : this post test is from Mac by accident, but I'll leave it because it demonstrates that even pasting ID into the forum from Mac differs from the windows.

 

I got this pasting into LibreOffice :

 

said H0559 אָמַר ʾamar

 

[HMT-W4] יֹּ֥אמֶרyoʾmer Verb qal wawConsec 3 masc sing to say

 

I set the font to Cardo but otherwise it the as it pasted in.

 

This is from a [key H0559] search in ESVS. And it looks identical to the ID

 

But if I do it from HMT-W4 itself then I see a reversal of the order of the Hebrew which is further reordered when I cut from LO into here. So I include a screenshot of it instead :

 

Attached File  HebrewIDPasteIntoLO.jpg   23.89KB   0 downloads

 

But if I cut directly from ID to this forum I get :

 

יֹּ֣אמֶר  (אמר)    אמר־1  Verb qal wawConsec 3 masc sing  to say

[ESVS] H0559  said

 

which is a different reordering of the Hebrew items.

For ref here is the original ID :

 

Attached File  HebrewH0559ID.jpg   24.38KB   0 downloads

 

But I don't see extra parens. My exports are Unicode.

 

thx

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Edited by Daniel Semler, 17 May 2014 - 01:06 PM.

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Posted 17 May 2014 - 12:22 PM

Sorry, I was doing it on Mac, didn't notice the Forum.


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Posted 17 May 2014 - 12:40 PM

Actually so was I - ooops !

Let me double check on Win.

 

Douglas, what wordprocessor were you using ? I was thinking this mattered and it will probably change the details but it's probably not as big a deal as I thought.

 

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Edited by Daniel Semler, 17 May 2014 - 01:07 PM.

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Posted 17 May 2014 - 12:53 PM

Ok this is more problematic on Windows.

I get a "Requested clipboard format not available" error from LO when trying to paste the ID into a doc. Cutting Greek or English from texts works fine.

Pasting into Wordpad is simply ignored.

 

 

BTW, pasting directly into this forum I don't quite repro. what Douglas posted but its not correct either.

 

said  H0559   aDmAr  }amar

[BHS-W4D]  y¥øâamRryo}mer  Verb qal wawConsec 3 masc sing  to say

 

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Edited by Daniel Semler, 17 May 2014 - 01:04 PM.

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Posted 19 May 2014 - 11:28 AM

Douglas, 

 

What version of Windows are you using and which word processor are you pasting into?

 

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Posted 19 May 2014 - 12:11 PM

Windows 7   accordance 10.4.2.2

Cut and paste is so basic and this is a something that really needs to be fixed in accordance so one can cut and paste freely from different sources outside of accordance into the Notes

I know that in Olivetree I can cut and paste from pdf sources with ease into Notes.

I hope that accordance will make this a priority.


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#9 Douglas Fyfe

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Posted 20 May 2014 - 01:41 AM

Windows 8.1

 

Paste into anywhere - evernote, word, even into the search entry box gives me this:

y¥øñamRr  )amr( amr_1  Verb qal wawConsec 3 masc sing  to say;; [ESVS] H0559  said  

 

But pasting it directly here works perfectly:

יֹּ֥אמֶר  (אמר) אמר־1  Verb qal wawConsec 3 masc sing  to say 
 
[ESVS] H0559  said  

 

 

Again, as I mentioned, it was an issue that came up in our Sydney seminar - an issue others had had also, so I'm guessing it's less system-specific, and more accordance-for-pc-specific.

 

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