David42 Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Hello, I've been able to search for verbs WITH attached object suffixes (I learned how after finding a discussion in this forum. Thanks!). That seems to work very smoothly for me: (reverse of Hebrew order here, with [RANGE gen] <AND> used only to reduce the scope. I have the same problem regardless of RANGE.) [RANGE gen] <AND> [VERB] [sUFFIX] I have trouble, though, searching for verbs WITHOUT attached suffixes. I've tried the following: [RANGE gen] <AND> [VERB] <NOT> <FOLLOWED BY> [sUFFIX] which doesn't produce the desired results. It removes Gen 1:11 and Gen 1:12 due to (I think) the words lemino and lemineihu (later in the verses) having suffixes, whereas I only want to eliminate VERBS that have suffixes themselves. I've also tried variations of <WITHIN> in various positions, without any luck. I feel I must be missing something, and could really use some help with this. Thank you! Best, David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Simpson Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 (edited) Hi David, try this [sUFFIX]-@[VERB] What this is saying is that I want any verb that does not have a suffix (hence the minus sign before the [sUFFIX] tag). The @ symbol attaches the condition to the previous term. The <AND> operator means it looks for the two conditions to be met in the same scope (verse, clause, chapter, book - whatever is set in your scope drop down - verse is default) Edited July 3, 2014 by Ken Simpson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David42 Posted July 3, 2014 Author Share Posted July 3, 2014 Thank you! Much appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Simpson Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 No problems. Glad to help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David42 Posted July 3, 2014 Author Share Posted July 3, 2014 Thank you, Ken, for your first response. Alas, I seem to still have a problem, which I didn't see the first time I tried it: with the suggested search (as it appears in the box, this time) [sUFFIX] -@ [VERB] I still have results with suffixes, such as Gen 12:2 (avarekhKHA) and 12:3 (mevarekheKHA and umqallelKHA). Those are representative cases, but I see several more verbs like them (3:11, 3:13, 5:2, 5:4-30 with many cases of holidO, 5:29, 6:7) in a variety of forms. Am I doing something wrong? If there's a problem with the text (I'm using 8.4.7 and the text is BHS-W4 4.14), I'd be happy to know if newer versions work as expected, or if there's a different search that should try. Many thanks to all, David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen Brown Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 You should not use the @ since Accordance treats the suffix as a separate word, so technically no verb has a suffix in its tag. You need , but it’s much easier to use a construct. And of course you should upgrade to Accordance 10 and the latest HMT-W4. Why stay in the dark ages? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Simpson Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Of course - I forgot that Accordance treats the suffix as a separate word. Sorry for the misdirection David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David42 Posted July 3, 2014 Author Share Posted July 3, 2014 Thank You Helen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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