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#1 hno.emanuel.cardona

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Posted 28 February 2015 - 08:19 PM

I did a search on the hebrew מַלְכוּת, malkut and came back with 91 occurrences.  But I would like to do a search on the aramaic equivalent.  I would like to know the aramaic equivalent (malku ?) and how to search it on HMT-W4.  Thank you and God bless!     



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Posted 28 February 2015 - 10:01 PM

I did a search on the hebrew מַלְכוּת, malkut and came back with 91 occurrences.  But I would like to do a search on the aramaic equivalent.  I would like to know the aramaic equivalent (malku ?) and how to search it on HMT-W4.  Thank you and God bless!     

If I want to reference the occurrences of the Aramaic malkutha as equivalent to the Hebrew malkut (91x), should I use the lemma malku (57x)?



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Posted 28 February 2015 - 10:31 PM

Hi Emanuel, generally the aramaic root is marked with a ~0 (see red box here), when the lemma is typed up to the coph you can see the aramaic root in the drop down menu (green arrow).

 

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then when you select the ~0 root you know you have the aramaic in the results

 

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Posted 28 February 2015 - 10:43 PM

Hi Emanuel, generally the aramaic root is marked with a ~0 (see red box here), when the lemma is typed up to the coph you can see the aramaic root in the drop down menu (green arrow).

 

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then when you select the ~0 root you know you have the aramaic in the results

 

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Thank you so much Ken for that info.  That will help me out.  I did not know that until now.



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Posted 01 March 2015 - 03:53 AM

Additionally, if you want to exclude Hebrew results from your searches almost completely, make a custom Range with the following definitions:

Gen. 31,47;Jer. 10,11;Dan 2,4-7,28;Ezra 4,8-6,18;Ezra 7,12-26

 

Gen 31,47 is mostly in Hebrew but has a single Aramaic word in it. The first four words in Dan 2,4 are in Hebrew, but the rest is in Aramaic. The remaining definitions are in Aramaic only.

 

This is particularly useful for grammatical searches of a more general nature - if you, for instance, want to figure out how many Aramaic nouns there are in total in the Old Testament. Just search for [NOUN] after defining the range and you're done. Or almost, really. You'd have to subtract the few Hebrew results in Gen 31,47 and Dan 2,4, which in this case would be 2311 hits minus the Hebrew 6 nouns giving 2305 Aramaic nouns.

 

Conversely, if you want to make similar searches in Hebrew where you'd want to leave the Aramaic out, you need a range with the following definitions:

 

Gen-Jer. 10,10;Jer. 10,12-Dan. 2,4;Dan. 8,1-Ezra. 4,7;Ezra. 6,19-Ezra 7,11;Ezra 7,27-2Chr

 

The two verses, Gen 31,47 and Dan 2,4, that have both Hebrew and Aramaic in them must be dealt with manually here as well. Oh, and if you aren't using European notations, you may have to switch all the commas out with colons to make the ranges work.

 

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Posted 01 March 2015 - 12:23 PM

 

Gen 31,47 . . . has a single Aramaic word in it

 

Hi Peter,

 

Some might be confused by your analysis of יְגַ֖ר שָׂהֲדוּתָ֑א . Even Rosenthal analyzes "two words translating a Hebrew toponym into Aramaic" (A Grammar of Biblical Aramaic, I.1.). Perhaps you could clarify for them.

 

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Posted 01 March 2015 - 01:38 PM

It is indeed two word and should be understood as such - As a toponym both words make up a single "unit", of course, but I should none the less have written "two words" instead of one. Thank you for pointing it out, Michel! :)

 

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Posted 01 March 2015 - 03:48 PM

Additionally, if you want to exclude Hebrew results from your searches almost completely, make a custom Range with the following definitions:

Gen. 31,47;Jer. 10,11;Dan 2,4-7,28;Ezra 4,8-6,18;Ezra 7,12-26

 

Gen 31,47 is mostly in Hebrew but has a single Aramaic word in it. The first four words in Dan 2,4 are in Hebrew, but the rest is in Aramaic. The remaining definitions are in Aramaic only.

 

This is particularly useful for grammatical searches of a more general nature - if you, for instance, want to figure out how many Aramaic nouns there are in total in the Old Testament. Just search for [NOUN] after defining the range and you're done. Or almost, really. You'd have to subtract the few Hebrew results in Gen 31,47 and Dan 2,4, which in this case would be 2311 hits minus the Hebrew 6 nouns giving 2305 Aramaic nouns.

 

Conversely, if you want to make similar searches in Hebrew where you'd want to leave the Aramaic out, you need a range with the following definitions:

 

Gen-Jer. 10,10;Jer. 10,12-Dan. 2,4;Dan. 8,1-Ezra. 4,7;Ezra. 6,19-Ezra 7,11;Ezra 7,27-2Chr

 

The two verses, Gen 31,47 and Dan 2,4, that have both Hebrew and Aramaic in them must be dealt with manually here as well. Oh, and if you aren't using European notations, you may have to switch all the commas out with colons to make the ranges work.

 

With kind regards

 

Peter Christensen

Great!  Thank you for your help.



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Posted 02 March 2015 - 09:05 AM

Many thanks to PChris for these helpful custom ranges.

 

However, the Range feature of Accordance does not seem to recognize Gen. 1,1 as Gen. 1.1 (US syntax Gen 1:1). I suggest replacing the commas with periods or colons, like thus: Gen. 31.47; Jer. 10.11; Dan 2.4-7.28; Ezra 4.8-6.18; Ezra 7.12-26 or Gen-Jer. 10:10; Jer. 10:12-Dan. 2:4; Dan. 8:1-Ezra. 4:7; Ezra. 6:19-Ezra 7:11; Ezra 7:27-2Chr.

 

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Posted 02 March 2015 - 02:05 PM

Many thanks to PChris for these helpful custom ranges.

 

However, the Range feature of Accordance does not seem to recognize Gen. 1,1 as Gen. 1.1 (US syntax Gen 1:1). I suggest replacing the commas with periods or colons, like thus: Gen. 31.47; Jer. 10.11; Dan 2.4-7.28; Ezra 4.8-6.18; Ezra 7.12-26 or Gen-Jer. 10:10; Jer. 10:12-Dan. 2:4; Dan. 8:1-Ezra. 4:7; Ezra. 6:19-Ezra 7:11; Ezra 7:27-2Chr.

 

Note: be sure to use the book order in one of your Hebrew Bibles (not an English translation)

 

 

Ah yes. This is because of the fact that I'm using the European verse notation, so it works fine for my ranges in Accordance. But I actually like the American system better - the only reason I haven't made the switch yet is that I'm more used to working with the former.

 

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