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#1 Homeskillet

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Posted 17 March 2015 - 04:37 PM

*So, as you can tell, this is my inital post on this forum.  Will get straight to the point:

 

 

*I just purchaed the MacBook Air for the primary reason of using Accordance & Logos (debateably :o).  My emphasis is in apologetics & exegesis-proper.  What I am looking for is a collection of reputable lexicons (e.g., BDAG; HALOT; L&N) & grammars (e.g., GGBB; BBG; BDF; D&M) without all of the commentaries.  

 

 

*Essentially, I am only wanting the raw-exegetical-data devoid of personal interpretations (though I realize there are "personal interpretations" in Koine'). 

 

 

*Of course, I would equally be interested in reputable exegetical commentaries.  I looked at the Ultimate Collection & am thinking this is the way to go - though, really, there's much I'm not interested in having in this package (& much of it is already free on-line). 

 

 

*And, I really do not want to drop over $2,000 if not needed.

 

 

*Any thoughts/ideas?  Thank you in advance for your assistance!

 

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Posted 17 March 2015 - 07:37 PM

Homeskillet, I bought the ultimate collections about a year ago and I have NEVER regretted the decision. It is cheaper buying a collection than buying separate modules. As an exegete you will for sure enjoy all the great commentaries, Greek, and Hebrew Lexicons in the ultimate collection. If you, however, do not want all of the commentaries, the Original Language Collection or the Essential Collection would be great! 

 

I have used all the three major Bible softwares out there and cannot recommend Accordance highly enough. Accordance, simply put, is the BEST. 


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Posted 17 March 2015 - 09:40 PM

Hi ya,

 

  It's worth considering that there is a lot of financial daylight between Original Languages and Ultimate Collection.  If you don't want a bunch of that material you may do well to buy OL and then add additional resources for original language study, like HALOT (tempted but not yet), BDAG, LSJ (use these two all the time), BBG, MBG (hugely useful I find), Wallace GGBB, and so on, perhaps Anchor, or other reference works, Hermenia perhaps. Of course adding BDAG and HALOT to OL would cost 300 of the difference. You can also add extra-biblical texts if that interests you. Do note that BDF is not in Accordance I'm afraid. I don't know D & M or not by that name. My setup is basically OL with a bunch of, mostly Greek add-ons.

 

  On the flipside a number of things you might want, Graphical resources, Atlas and so on are not in OL. A middle ground like Essential might then make good sense.

 

  Finally I would recommend, that once you have a better idea what you might want, a chat with Accordance sales people on the phone will clarify your options - very helpful - not in the least pushy.

 

  I know I said finally, but I forgot to mention that Custom Upgrade pricing (http://www.accordanc...ustom-Upgrades/) gives you the flexibility to upgrade later without paying for stuff you already have. So you could start on a lower collection and see how it goes.

 

Thx

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Posted 18 March 2015 - 08:03 AM

I agree with Daniel. I think you'd find a lot of stuff in the Ultimate Collection that is not related to your core interests. For the same amount of money, but more work, you could assemble a great library specifically for exegesis.

 

I'd recommend the Advanced Collection, the BDAG and HALOT and GBS Apparatus  add-ons, the NIGTC commentary, and the UBS Translator's Handbooks. You might also consider NIDNTTE and NIDOTTE.

 

Remember that Bible Dictionaries, like the Essential IVP Reference Collection 3 and IVP Six New Dictionaries, are generally considered essential for good exegesis.


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Posted 19 March 2015 - 02:01 AM

I agree with Daniel. I think you'd find a lot of stuff in the Ultimate Collection that is not related to your core interests. For the same amount of money, but more work, you could assemble a great library specifically for exegesis.

 

I'd recommend the Advanced Collection, the BDAG and HALOT and GBS Apparatus  add-ons, the NIGTC commentary, and the UBS Translator's Handbooks. You might also consider NIDNTTE and NIDOTTE.

 

Remember that Bible Dictionaries, like the Essential IVP Reference Collection 3 and IVP Six New Dictionaries, are generally considered essential for good exegesis.

 

 

*Thank you so much Timothy - Have looked into these suggestions & plan to defintely encorporate some of these modules. 

 

*Precisely the kind of data I am searching for!

 

*HS


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Posted 19 March 2015 - 02:13 AM

Homeskillet, I bought the ultimate collections about a year ago and I have NEVER regretted the decision. It is cheaper buying a collection than buying separate modules. As an exegete you will for sure enjoy all the great commentaries, Greek, and Hebrew Lexicons in the ultimate collection. If you, however, do not want all of the commentaries, the Original Language Collection or the Essential Collection would be great! 

 

I have used all the three major Bible softwares out there and cannot recommend Accordance highly enough. Accordance, simply put, is the BEST. 

 

*Excellent - was wondering if I should go with Accordance or Logos - even have Olive Tree (& noticed that some of their grammars & lexicons are very inexpensive.

 

*Will likely wind up using several Bible softwares -  :o .

 

 

Hi ya,

 

  It's worth considering that there is a lot of financial daylight between Original Languages and Ultimate Collection.  If you don't want a bunch of that material you may do well to buy OL and then add additional resources for original language study, like HALOT (tempted but not yet), BDAG, LSJ (use these two all the time), BBG, MBG (hugely useful I find), Wallace GGBB, and so on, perhaps Anchor, or other reference works, Hermenia perhaps. Of course adding BDAG and HALOT to OL would cost 300 of the difference. You can also add extra-biblical texts if that interests you. Do note that BDF is not in Accordance I'm afraid. I don't know D & M or not by that name. My setup is basically OL with a bunch of, mostly Greek add-ons.

 

  On the flipside a number of things you might want, Graphical resources, Atlas and so on are not in OL. A middle ground like Essential might then make good sense.

 

  Finally I would recommend, that once you have a better idea what you might want, a chat with Accordance sales people on the phone will clarify your options - very helpful - not in the least pushy.

 

  I know I said finally, but I forgot to mention that Custom Upgrade pricing (http://www.accordanc...ustom-Upgrades/) gives you the flexibility to upgrade later without paying for stuff you already have. So you could start on a lower collection and see how it goes.

 

Thx

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*Thany you so much Daniel - very, very good advice. 

 

*D & M = Dana & Mantey.  I have all of these grammars & lexicons in hard-book, but we currently travel full-time evangelizing & they are in storage.

 

*Let me be honest about something here:  I am NOT yet proficient in Greek, though I can read, write & translate *some* & understand many of the morphological relationships.  But man, is it ever a work in progress :angry: !  'Nuff to make a mad-man sane...or a sane-man mad :huh: !

 

*But, I do have an intense interest in Koine'.  Just wanting to be honest & not feign any type of "expertise." :lol: .

 

*Will defintely look into these suggestions!  Thank you again.

 

*HS


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Posted Yesterday, 12:51 PM

Please can you integrate a german language gramatik for hebräisch and griechisch.

And also please can you mak a grammer analysis  form greece text!!

 

Thanke you!!

 

 

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Posted Yesterday, 03:36 PM

Please can you integrate a german language gramatik for hebräisch and griechisch.

And also please can you mak a grammer analysis  form greece text!!

 

Thanke you!!

 

 

Dear Claudia Neuschmid

 

Wilkommen Claudia.

Bitte klären Sie , was Sie mit "And also please can you mak a grammer analysis  form greece text!!”  da gibt es Methoden, um dies bereits tun.

 

Sehr leid für mein schlechtes Deutsch.


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Posted Yesterday, 05:41 PM

*Ok - Don't slay me for this, but is there a module that actually does the sentence diagramming, phrasing, exegesis, & subsequent (theological) application for you...I know, I know :rolleyes:

 

*Or, should I just bite the bullet & get the NIDNTTE or, perhaps, Baker's Exegetical volume-package?  

 

*Have been finding some absolute killer steals over @ Olive Tree (BDAG-HALOT; L&N; etc. - again, pls. don't slay me :( ), but they don't handle in-depth grammatical issues such as diagramming, etc. 

 

*Thank everyone again for the assistance.



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Posted Yesterday, 07:11 PM

*Ok - Don't slay me for this, but is there a module that actually does the sentence diagramming, phrasing, exegesis, & subsequent (theological) application for you...I know, I know :rolleyes:

 

*Or, should I just bite the bullet & get the NIDNTTE or, perhaps, Baker's Exegetical volume-package?  

 

*Have been finding some absolute killer steals over @ Olive Tree (BDAG-HALOT; L&N; etc. - again, pls. don't slay me :( ), but they don't handle in-depth grammatical issues such as diagramming, etc. 

 

*Thank everyone again for the assistance.

 

Well, we do offer both the syntactical diagrams for an increasing proportion of the HMT and the GNT28, and there are logic diagrams available too for the entire New Testament with the exception of Matthew and Luke. 

 

NIDNTTE is a wonderful lexical resource, and Baker is very solid from an evangelical perspective. 

 

There’ll be no slaying around here thank you very much.  :ph34r:


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Posted Today, 01:31 AM

I mean in german


Wilkommen Claudia.

Bitte klären Sie , was Sie mit "And also please can you mak a grammer analysis  form greece text!!”  da gibt es Methoden, um dies bereits tun.

 

Sehr leid für mein schlechtes Deutsch.

I meant in german; and if its in the programm please can you write me where can i find it



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Posted Today, 04:53 AM

Liebe Claudia,

ich bin mir nicht sicher, ob ich Ihre Frage richtig verstehe. Wenn man bei den Interlinear-Einstellung Wortart und Ausstellung anklickt, kommt man schon ein Stückchen weiter. Hilft das vielleicht schon? Ich selbst bin auch noch Neuling, aber wenn ich helfen kann, versuche ich es gerne.

 

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Posted Today, 08:03 AM

Liebe Claudia,

ich bin mir nicht sicher, ob ich Ihre Frage richtig verstehe. Wenn man bei den Interlinear-Einstellung Wortart und Ausstellung anklickt, kommt man schon ein Stückchen weiter. Hilft das vielleicht schon? Ich selbst bin auch noch Neuling, aber wenn ich helfen kann, versuche ich es gerne.

 

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Herzliche Grüße,

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Wollte wissen; wie man eine Interlinearübersetzung einfügen kann und diese anderen zur Verfügung stellen kann.

Wenn ich einen griechischen Text habe; finde ich noch keine deutsche Gramatik analyse? Weißt du vielleicht wo????



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Posted Today, 08:34 AM

Wollte wissen; wie man eine Interlinearübersetzung einfügen kann und diese anderen zur Verfügung stellen kann.

         

          Das kannst du nicht, das kann nur OakTree. 

 

 

Wenn ich einen griechischen Text habe; finde ich noch keine deutsche Gramatik analyse? Weißt du vielleicht wo????

 

          Fehlt noch. Müsste die Deutsche Bibelgesellschaft noch Übersetzten, ausser sie sind so im Bibeltext hinterlegt, das würde heissen, extra Texte für die jeweiligen Sprachen. 

 

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