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Daniel  Francis

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Moving this to it;s own thread, I will do what I can to solve this mystery... If there is some log report I can upload I will happily do it.

 

I am on a mac... Acc. 11.0.8/ OS 10.11...

 

The “poor” of Jesus’ original pronouncement of blessing, preserved by Q and Luke, not only refers to literal poverty, but also connotes the lack of arrogance and sense of one’s own need. Luke’s beatitudes emphasize the literal, economic dimension. Matthew’s addition of “in spirit” shifts the emphasis, but does not exclude literal poverty. (Cf. the similar addition of “for righteousness” to “hunger” in 5:6.) These changes ought not to be too quickly considered a “spiritualization” on Matthew’s part, as though he were not interested in the literally poor (cf. 11:5; 25:31–46). From the time of the composition of the Psalms, “the poor” had been understood as a characterization of the true people of God, those who know their lives are not in their own control and that they are dependent on God. “Poor in spirit” makes this explicit. Persons who are pronounced blessed are not those who claim a robust ego and strong sense of self-worth, but those whose only identity and security is in God. Their identity is not in what they know, but in having a certain (poverty of) spirit. The exact phrase “poor in spirit” was not found in any extant Jewish literature until it emerged in the Dead Sea Scrolls of the Qumran community (1QM 14:7), which understood itself as the remnant, the true people of God over against the Jerusalem hierarchy. What is at stake in the phrase for both Qumran and Matthew is neither economics nor spirituality, but the identity of the people of God—a Matthean theme (1:21).

 
M. Eugene Boring, “The Gospel of Matthew,” in General Articles on the New Testament; Matthew-Mark, vol. 8 of The New Interpreter’s Bible. Accordance electronic ed. (Nashville: Abingdon Press, 1995), n.p.
 
I see the same thing in NIB, even though I know this use to work fine. I personally am not overly concerned with page numbers, but I am not sure why I am getting these results.
 
-Dan
 
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Example: Bruce Milne, The Message of John (The Bible Speaks Today; ed. John R. W. Stott; Accordance electronic ed. Downers Grove.: InterVarsity Press, 1993), 31-32.

 

Dan, I can't replicate it, so its obviously not an apple/accordance bug.  Have you tried using alternative citation and bibliography settings?  Sometimes just changing settings and then reverting can kick the software back to normal behaviour. 

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Let me give it a try with the different settings in Bibliography and "copy like citation":

 

(SBL footnote)

temple, Jerusalem. A building constructed by SOLOMON for the WORSHIP of God. The temple was destroyed by the Babylonians in 586 B.C. but rebuilt after the EXILE under ZERUBBABEL (this structure is often referred to as the second temple). HEROD the Great began a major renovation in 20 B.C., and the completed building with its courts became one of the most greatly admired structures of the ancient world. As a result of the Jewish war, the Romans entered JERUSALEM in A.D. 70 and destroyed the city and the temple.

 

 

temple, Jerusalem.,” ZEB, 5:716.

 

(SBL citation)

temple, Jerusalem. A building constructed by SOLOMON for the WORSHIP of God. The temple was destroyed by the Babylonians in 586 B.C. but rebuilt after the EXILE under ZERUBBABEL (this structure is often referred to as the second temple). HEROD the Great began a major renovation in 20 B.C., and the completed building with its courts became one of the most greatly admired structures of the ancient world. As a result of the Jewish war, the Romans entered JERUSALEM in A.D. 70 and destroyed the city and the temple.

 

Silva, Moisés and Merrill C. Tenney. The Zondervan Encyclopedia of the Bible. Revised, Accordance electronic edition, version 1.5. Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 2009.

 

(Turabian footnote)

temple, Jerusalem. A building constructed by SOLOMON for the WORSHIP of God. The temple was destroyed by the Babylonians in 586 B.C. but rebuilt after the EXILE under ZERUBBABEL (this structure is often referred to as the second temple). HEROD the Great began a major renovation in 20 B.C., and the completed building with its courts became one of the most greatly admired structures of the ancient world. As a result of the Jewish war, the Romans entered JERUSALEM in A.D. 70 and destroyed the city and the temple.

 

ZEB, s.v. “temple, Jerusalem.,” 5:716.

 

(Turabian bibliography)

temple, Jerusalem. A building constructed by SOLOMON for the WORSHIP of God. The temple was destroyed by the Babylonians in 586 B.C. but rebuilt after the EXILE under ZERUBBABEL (this structure is often referred to as the second temple). HEROD the Great began a major renovation in 20 B.C., and the completed building with its courts became one of the most greatly admired structures of the ancient world. As a result of the Jewish war, the Romans entered JERUSALEM in A.D. 70 and destroyed the city and the temple.

 

Silva, Moisés and Merrill C. Tenney. The Zondervan Encyclopedia of the Bible. Revised, Accordance electronic ed., version 1.5. Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 2009.

 

SO: it turns out that I get the page number when "footnotes" is chosen - but not "bibliography" - where you would have expected it is well. I get no "n.p.", though.

 

What is going on here?

Morten

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For me, when I Copy As > Citation when a commentary is in Parallel with a text, I get the ", n.p." response. However, when the same commentary is open in its own zone, the page numbers are included in the citation. This is consistent for me regardless of the resource.

 

NAC in parallel: A. Garrett, , Ecclesiastes, Song of Songs, ed. E. Ray Clendenen, vol. 14 of The New American Commentary. Accordance electronic ed. (Nashville: Broadman & Holman Publishers, 1993), n.p.

 

NAC in its own zone: A. Garrett, , Ecclesiastes, Song of Songs, ed. E. Ray Clendenen, vol. 14 of The New American Commentary. Accordance electronic ed. (Nashville: Broadman & Holman Publishers, 1993), 420.

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Yes indeed this works, I am glad the mystery is solved but I would still consider this a bug personally.

 

-Dan

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Yes, Jordan has nailed it.  

 

If its a separate zone it has the page numbers.

If its a parallel pane its gets n.p.

 

Parallel Pane

THE FIRST VERSES of John’s Gospel...

Gary M. Burge, John (NIVAC; ed. Terry C. Muck; Accordance electronic ed. Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 2000), 54.

 

Separate Zone

THE FIRST VERSES of John’s Gospel...

Gary M. Burge, John (NIVAC; ed. Terry C. Muck; Accordance electronic ed. Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 2000), n.p.

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Hm, how do you explain that I only got the page numbers when using "footnote" citations and not bibliography? I used separate zone for this one. 

Morten

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Morten,

That's probably a matter of style formatting. In Turabian formatting, you list page numbers in the footnotes, but not in the bibliography. 

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Thanks Jordan, but it was the same with SBL bibliography. 

 

Can you adjust the styles - or dont we only have these two?

 

Which one is used above by Paul?

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Morten, my Bibliography settings are for SBL footnote, (all other settings on that form are blank), and remember when copying to 'copy as citation'.

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Thanks, Paul,

I get page numbers as well when using footnote - and depending on which kind of ressource is copied, I get truncated bio-info or not, cf. below. This is probably as it should be - though it would be nice with a setting allowing to turn of truncating. But that is details.

 

Morten

 

2.2. Wall. Surrounding the fortress, as well as the city, is a huge wall (ḥêl; ḥômâ; qı̂r; gādēr), which is unlike the stone ...

 

ARCHITECTURAL IMAGERY,” Dictionary of the Old Testament: Wisdom, Poetry and Writings, 23.

 

temple, Jerusalem. A building constructed by SOLOMON for the WORSHIP of God. The temple was destroyed by the Babylonians in 586 B.C. but rebuilt after the EXILE ...

 

temple, Jerusalem.,” ZEB, 5:716.

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Yes Morten, It would appear that some of the resources have limited citation info.  Most of the major commentaries and dictionaries should be fairly detailed. (Although I'm surprised about ZEB!)

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