dlrude Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Hi , I have been reading a book called "The mysterious numbers of the Hebrew Kings" by E Thiele. I actually ready a portion of it also back in 1978. A very good book IMHO. Has Accordance ever thought about including it in their offerings? Dave p.s. here is link http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=The+mysterious+numbers+of+the+Hebrew+Kings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alistair Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 (edited) If memory serves me well, this is discussed in Kingdom of Priests including observations where Merrill deviates from Thiele's chronology. Kingdom of Priests is available as an Accordance module. http://www.accordancebible.com/store/details/?pid=Merrill-Kingdom I assume all the Bible Dictionaries that Accordance offers have an entry for "biblical chronology"or some such entry that would give you an abbreviated and updated account (Thiele's book first came out in 1951). Any quality commentary on Kings and/or Chronicles should have a section on the chronology. The Wikipedia article is helpful: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mysterious_Numbers_of_the_Hebrew_Kings See also A Translation Guide to the Chronological Data in Kings and Chronicles by Leslie McFall (it is a PDF) https://lmf12.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/transguide.pdf Edited January 27, 2016 by Alistair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alistair Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 (edited) Thiele also wrote A chronology of the Hebrew kings (Zondervan, first published 1977) It is "a simplified shorter version" of The mysterious numbers… Edited January 27, 2016 by Alistair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlrude Posted January 28, 2016 Author Share Posted January 28, 2016 Thiele also wrote A chronology of the Hebrew kings (Zondervan, first published 1977) It is "a simplified shorter version" of The mysterious numbers… Yes, I have that one too and it is the one I read in 1978. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlrude Posted January 28, 2016 Author Share Posted January 28, 2016 If memory serves me well, this is discussed in Kingdom of Priests including observations where Merrill deviates from Thiele's chronology. Kingdom of Priests is available as an Accordance module. http://www.accordancebible.com/store/details/?pid=Merrill-Kingdom I assume all the Bible Dictionaries that Accordance offers have an entry for "biblical chronology"or some such entry that would give you an abbreviated and updated account (Thiele's book first came out in 1951). Any quality commentary on Kings and/or Chronicles should have a section on the chronology. The Wikipedia article is helpful: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mysterious_Numbers_of_the_Hebrew_Kings See also A Translation Guide to the Chronological Data in Kings and Chronicles by Leslie McFall (it is a PDF) https://lmf12.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/transguide.pdf I am not familiar with Kingdom Priests. Are you saying that this info is covered elsewhere? Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alistair Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Well, Kingdom of Priests is "A history of Old Testament Israel" and therefore is much wider in scope than Mysterious Numbers… It is published by Baker Book House and would probably be considered fairly conservative, but deals with contentious mattters quite fairly (i.e. with arguments and evidence, not rants and polemics). He supports the early date for the Exodus and gives reasons why, not simply because that is what the Bible says. I read this book cover to cover back in the day when I was able to afford such luxuries. I liked it so much I bought the company I scanned the book and have it on my Mac as a searchable PDF. The contents page of KOP (1st edition—The Accordance module is the 2nd edition) is as follows, it will give you a better idea of, well, its contents. Illustrations Preface Abbreviations Introduction. The History of Israel and Historiography Preliminary Considerations Problems Faced in the Production of a Modem-Day History of Ancient Israel The Present Approach to the History of Israel 1. Origins Israel at Moab The Purpose of Torah The Story of the Patriarchs 2. The Exodus: Birth of a Nation The Meaning of the Exodus The Historical Setting of the Exodus The Date of the Exodus The Dates and Length of the Egyptian Sojourn Patriarchal Chronology The Wilderness Wandering 3. The Conquest and Occupation of Canaan The Land as Promise Fulfilment The Ancient Near Eastern World The 'apiru and the Conquest The Strategy of Joshua The Date of Joshua's Conquest The Campaign Against the Anakim Alternative Models of the Conquest and Occupation The Tribal Allotments The Second Covenant Renewal at Shechem 4. The Era of the Judges: Covenant Violation, Anarchy, and Human Authority The Literary-critical Problem in Judges The Chronology of Judges The Ancient Near Eastern World The Judges of Israel The Bethlehem Trilogy 5. Saul: Covenant Misunderstanding The Demand for Kingship The Chronology of the Eleventh Century The Selection of Saul The First Challenge to Saul The Decline of Saul Theological Considerations The Rise of David 6. David: Covenant Kingship The Lack of Nationhood Before David David at Hebron Chronicles and Theological History Jerusalem the Capital The Establishment of David's Power An Introduction to a Davidic Chronology 7. David: The Years of Struggle Egypt and Israelite Independence The Ammonite Wars The Beginning of David's Domestic Troubles Jerusalem as Cult Center The Rebellion of Absalom David's Efforts at Reconciliation Additional Troubles David's Plan for a Temple The Solomonic Succession The Davidic Bureaucracy 8. Solomon: From Pinnacle to Peril Problems of Transition The Failure of the Opposition to Solomon The Conclave at Gibeon International Relations The Building Projects of Solomon Cracks in the Solomonic Empire Solomonic Statecraft Spiritual and Moral Apostasy Solomon and the Nature of Wisdom 9. The Divided Monarchy The Roots of National Division The Immediate Occasion of National Division The Reign of Rehoboam The Reign of Jeroboam The Pressure of Surrounding Nations Abijah of Judah Asa of Judah The Reemergence of Assyria Nadab of Israel The Dynasty of Baasha of Israel Omrl of Israel Jehoshaphat of Judah Ahab of Israel The Threat of Assyria Ahab's Successors The Anointing of Hazael of Damascus Jehoram of Judah The Anointing of Jehu 10. The Dynasty of Jehu and Contemporary Judah The Reign of Jehu of Israel Athaliah of Judah The Role of Other Nations Joash of Judah Jehoahaz of Israel The International Scene Jehoash of Israel Amaziah of Judah Jeroboam II of Israel Uzziah of Judah The Ministry of the Prophets 11. The Rod of Yahweh: Assyria and Divine Wrath Factors Leading to Israel's Fall The End of the Dynasty of Jehu Assyria and Tiglath-pileser Ill Menahem of Israel The Last Days of Israel The Impact of Samaria's Fall Judah and the Fall of Samaria Hezekiah of Judah The Viewpoint of the Prophets 12. Fading Hope: The Disintegration of Judah The Legacy of Hezekiah Manasseh of Judah Amon of Judah The International Scene: Assyria and Egypt Josiah of Judah The Fall of Jerusalem The Prophetic Witness 13. The Exile and the First Return An Introductory Overview The World Situation During the Exile The Jewish People During the Exile The World Situation During the Period of Restoration The First Return Problems Following the Return Encouragement from the Prophets 14. Restoration and New Hope The Persian Influence Subsequent Returns: Ezra and Nehemiah Malachi the Prophet Bibliography Scripture Index Subject Index Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alistair Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 I am not familiar with Kingdom Priests. Are you saying that this info is covered elsewhere? Dave Now to answer your actual question. I am saying that while Thiele's work is of importance, within other modules you will find material that also deals with OT chronology, builds on Theile's work, critique's Thiele's work, and brings Thiele's work up to date with more recent research. It won't have the narrow scope and deep depth of Thiele, but you will get the kernel of what Thiele disovered without all the ins and outs of how he got there. The question is, do you NEED Thiele, or do you WANT to understand OT chronology? I suspect that Thiele is unlikely to become an Accordance module. This is due to its age and the nature of its content, and based on what I have learned on this forum from what sort of texts eventually become modules for Accordance. For understanding OT chronology, many Accordance resources could assist you. HTH Alistair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlrude Posted January 28, 2016 Author Share Posted January 28, 2016 ... I liked it so much I bought the company ... Thanks for the info. I think that I had one of those shavers too. :-) or was it a hairpiece? or both? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alistair Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Thanks for the info. I think that I had one of those shavers too. :-) or was it a hairpiece? or both? You're welcome. Glad to help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlrude Posted January 28, 2016 Author Share Posted January 28, 2016 (edited) Alistair, on 28 Jan 2016 - 05:36 AM, said: Now to answer your actual question. I am saying that while Thiele's work is of importance, within other modules you will find material that also deals with OT chronology, builds on Theile's work, critique's Thiele's work, and brings Thiele's work up to date with more recent research. It won't have the narrow scope and deep depth of Thiele, but you will get the kernel of what Thiele disovered without all the ins and outs of how he got there. The question is, do you NEED Thiele, or do you WANT to understand OT chronology? I suspect that Thiele is unlikely to become an Accordance module. This is due to its age and the nature of its content, and based on what I have learned on this forum from what sort of texts eventually become modules for Accordance. For understanding OT chronology, many Accordance resources could assist you. HTH Alistair Got it. Thanks. I liked Thiele and his details and wondered if others would as well. I see after reading your prior comments and doing a search within Accordance that he is referenced in many other works within Accordance. I did not do a detailed read within those works to see just how he was used but based on what you are saying I assume that one can get the proper understanding of the chronologies from at least some of those works. In my case I need Thiele for the details (but I already have it in paper) and want to understand the chronology dunno if that make a business case for Accordance. Not my problem though, just making a suggestion for consideration by others. Thanks for the discussion, Dave. Edited January 28, 2016 by dlrude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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