danzac Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 Not sure if this is a bug or just the way it is, but I'm wondering why articles aren't tagged in the NRSV strongs module. The show no information in the instant details, and they don't show the corresponding English word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis M Callies Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 Not sure if this is a bug or just the way it is, but I'm wondering why articles aren't tagged in the NRSV strongs module. The show no information in the instant details, and they don't show the corresponding English word. Not every language has articles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timothy Jenney Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 Not every language has articles. While Hebrew and Greek do use the definite article, the Strong's tagging generally does not include them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis M Callies Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 While Hebrew and Greek do use the definite article, the Strong's tagging generally does not include them. I don't know Hebrew, so thanks for the education. I could not remember exactly my Greek from 40 years ago (definite/indefinite article?) Nonetheless articles are peculiar to languages.Translations/translators, I think, are iffy in this regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen Brown Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Although the key texts do vary in the detail of the tagging, I don't think any of them tag such common words as articles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danzac Posted January 27, 2011 Author Share Posted January 27, 2011 Just to clarify Dennis, I know (and teach) both biblical languages :-) Tim and Helen, the article is tagged in strong's as 3588 (http://strongsnumbers.com/greek/3588.htm) It doesn't bother me too much, but I'm considering requiring a strongs module with the original text for my intro language courses, and I noticed this peculiarity, which users who are weak in the languages may get confused by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruben Gomez Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Actually, having tagged a few Bibles with Strong's numbers myself, I do tag the article. At least, I do it with the Greek article. I find it interesting for a number of reasons, such as when the article works/is translated as a possessive pronoun, or simply because of the importance or nuances of its presence/absence in the original text. As Helen said, tagging differs in detail and, at the end of the day, is very much dependent on the person/team doing the tagging. I always try to keep in mind the type of person who will be using the tagged text, and I feel that tagging Greek articles is advisable (and very easy to do!). The same applies to other very common words (e.g., Greek kai). Always remember that "common" does not mean "unimportant" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lester P. Bagley Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 This discussion poses an interesting question for Accordance: Which of the currently available Bibles have the greatest detail in tagging? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Bennett Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 This discussion poses an interesting question for Accordance: Which of the currently available Bibles have the greatest detail in tagging? The English texts tagged by our team are: ESVS, NRSVS, NKJVS, and JPSS. We probably used a PD version of the KJVS. Texts tagged by/through the publisher are: NAS95S, HCSBS, NIV G/K. This should help a bit because the texts we tagged should all handle articles in the same way. The ESV should have some articles tagged in the NT, but we were not too slavish about this. For example, searching the ESVS for G3588 yields 730 hits while there are 19867 occurrences of the article in the GNT-T. So, you can see that not very many were tagged. What you'll notice is that articles are usually tagged when used in a substantival participle. While the NAS95S was very loose in the common words that are tagged, we were in comparison, much more exhaustive in tagging the NT. While it is not too difficult to grasp when articles should be tagged it can be somewhat time consuming to add tags for these and make sure the highlighting is accurate. Maybe in the future we can improve upon this. The HCSBS and NIV G/K are the most exhaustive for articles. Out of the two, I'd go with the HCSBS as it is readily available (i.e. not a part of a package), and is based on the Strong's numbering system, which some people are more familiar with. HTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danzac Posted January 28, 2011 Author Share Posted January 28, 2011 Ruben hit the nail right on the head. The article isn't always just saying "the". I'd love to see all of the articles tagged in the "S" modules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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