Bret Hicks Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 I was doing a search today and noticed that Mark 7:16 was not showing up in either the GNT-TR of the KJVS if I had the search text set to GNT-T. To be clear, I was doing the GoTo box to go to Mark 7:15. As I would expect, the GNT-T, the NIV and the ESV all show Mark 7:15 followed by Mark 7:17, since Mark 7:16 is not in the NA27 text or most modern translations. However, I would expect that it would show up in the GNT-TR and the KJV-S since it is in those texts. However, it does not, even if I select "Compare texts." However, if I reset the search version to GNT-TR, then I can get Mark 7:15 to show up in the GNT-Tr and the KJV-s, and I get a hyphen/line in the GNT-T, the NIV, and the ESV. Why is this? I would expect that any verses in the GNT-TR that are not located in the GNT would always show up in the GNT-TR regardless of the search version. Is there a setting that would change this? Is is a bug? Or is this something I should request as a feature change? It just seems to be important since I normally use the GNT-T as my search version, but always have the GNT-TR open for comparisions. In Christ, Bret Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanHuber Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 Hi Bret, Even if you're using the goto box, the displayed verses are essentially a verse search. Since Mark 7:16 is not in the GNT, it doesn't show up in the list of "search" verses. The only way to see those verses are to "search" a text that includes them. That's just the way accordance works, so I don't know of any way around it. Jonathan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Brown Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 Jonathan is correct in that your Search version determines the verses to be displayed. If you are searching the GNT-T, it doesn't know anything about Mark 7:16, so it can't display it. It only knows the verses it has, and gets those appropriate verses in your other panes (KJVS, GNT-TR). Logically, its much easier to know what you have than what you don't have. So, when GNT-TR asks GNT-T for Mark 7:16, it is easy for it to respond it doesn't have it with the lacuna. But, the reverse is a much more tricky thing. For example, if you asked the GNT-T to display Mark 7:15, would you expect it to also grab Mark 7:16? What if you just asked for Mark 7, would you want it to display any extra verses? What if one pane's text adds a verse in one place, but another pane's text adds a verse in another place? I'm giving some examples to explain why Accordance works how it does. Your search text determines the verses to be displayed in whatever panes you have open. If you are more interested in just reading the straight texts, rather than filtering verses, it may help to open a separate zone next to it in the GNT-TR that is tied to your GNT-T. That way they scroll and stay in sync, but it uses its on verse list. I'll attach a screenshot of what I mean. (If you don't know, to Tie a tab, just right-click on its title and select Set Tab -> Tie to _____ ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackcav Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 What if you just asked for Mark 7, would you want it to display any extra verses? What if one pane's text adds a verse in one place, but another pane's text adds a verse in another place? If I had a pane displaying GNT-TR, I would want it to display all of Mark 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanHuber Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 If I had a pane displaying GNT-TR, I would want it to display all of Mark 7. So, define the verse list based on all displayed texts? I really like that idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bret Hicks Posted April 12, 2011 Author Share Posted April 12, 2011 I understand what is happening, but only to a point. Even if I am searching in GNT-T, I know that it is not "conscious" of the fact that it is "missing" Mark 7:16. However, when I choose to compare texts, I would think that GNT-TR would be VERY "conscious" of the fact that there is a difference - of an entire verse! And I would expect the same thing for large sections like the beginning of John 8, or Psalm 151 in the LXX. I would just think that the GNT-TR (or the LXX-1) would be aware as it is following the master text that it has a verse that is not in the master text and that it would show that verse. I also understand that I can open a separate pane with the GNT-TR set as the main version, but my normal mode of working has the GNT-T as my main version, with the GNT-TR open for comparison purposes. Yet, this does not work if it does not show actual differences such as extra verses. My setup is seen in the screen shot below. I have it set up this way because it allows me to see the most text and tools in a single screen. It would just seem that having the comparison show the additional verse in GNT-TR would be natural, since the verse actually IS in the GNT-TR file. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bret Hicks Posted April 12, 2011 Author Share Posted April 12, 2011 So this has made me start looking more at zones, and I can get Mark 7:16 (or the lacuna markings) to show up if I put the GNT-TR, KJVS, NIV in a separate zone. And I can tie them to the GNT-T, and everything seems to work fine - except then I can not compare the GNT-T to the GNT-TR. Is there a way to do this? Or am I forced to have two GNT-TR's open - one in the zone with the GNT-T, which will let me compare text, and another one open in a separate zone, tied to the GNT-T, which will show me missing verses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Weaks Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 You can keep the same setup... just change the search text to the TR version... no problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bret Hicks Posted April 12, 2011 Author Share Posted April 12, 2011 You can keep the same setup... just change the search text to the TR version... no problem. Which same setup are you referring to? If it is my original setup, I want the GNT-T to be my search version since that is the Greek text that I prefer - I mainly want the GNT-TR for comparison purposes. Or are you talking about my newer alternate setup with zones? If so, I have the GNT-T as the search in zone 1, with the GNT-TR as the search version in zone 2, which is linked to zone 1. This works in every way except the text comparison...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darryl Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 Here is a workaround that may suit your needs: Duplicate your main zone with cmd-d. Change your search text (as Joe mentioned) in the duplicated tab to GNT-TR. Next, link the duplicated tab to the original tab (as Joel mentioned). Lastly, use the link command, cmd-shift-L, and select your original tab. Now your tab with the GNT-TR will show any lacuna, and will sync with the original tab. All you would have to do is ctrl-tab and ctrl-shift-tab to navigate between the two. (See the attached screenshots.) Tab GNT-T: Tab GNT-TR: Hope that helps. Darryl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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