Julia Falling Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 Hey - I asked my last Greek prof which reference works I should get to further my understanding. He recommended both Porter's Idioms of the Greek New Testament and Moule's Idiom Book of New Testament Greek. It would be nice to have at least one of these in Accordance. Anyone familiar with these works and willing to make a recommendation of one over the other if I'm forced to buy a book I have to dust and find shelf space for? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anon Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 I have both, but if I had to choose one over the other, I would go with Porter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julia Falling Posted May 3, 2012 Author Share Posted May 3, 2012 Hey - Thanks for your reply. That gives me somewhere to start. By the way, I don't like Starbucks, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julia Falling Posted December 12, 2012 Author Share Posted December 12, 2012 (edited) It's been awhile since I posted this. Is there any hope that one of these books of Greek idioms might come to Accordance? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Just checked, and Porter's book is available in Logos, as is Blass, Debrunner, Funk Greek grammar. I really don't want to go there if I don't have to. I've got plenty to do now and can wait. I may already have the Greek grammars I need to keep me busy for the rest of my life, but Porter's book would be a great help. Edited December 12, 2012 by Julie Falling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Bennett Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 We can look into Porter, and BDF is a saga we hope has a happy ending at some point. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julia Falling Posted December 12, 2012 Author Share Posted December 12, 2012 Thanks, Rick. Porter is of more importance to me at this point. Accordance already has a number of excellent grammars, and I certainly haven't mastered their contents. BDF is probably a higher priority for the scholars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan C. Borland Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 (edited) We can look into Porter, and BDF is a saga we hope has a happy ending at some point. Awesome little hint there, Rick, awesome!!! I hope this can happen! Edited December 14, 2012 by Jonathan C. Borland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Bennett Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Don't get too excited…we have a very long list of items we're "looking into" (admittedly this is not a high priority). As you may have have heard from time-to-time, grammars are notoriously difficult to prepare, so we choose carefully and there must be a good quality e-text. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julia Falling Posted March 13, 2013 Author Share Posted March 13, 2013 OK - I know it has been a while. Is there any hope for Porter? I'd love to have at least one idiom book, and James prefers Porter's Idioms of the Greek New Testament. In the meantime, can anyone recommend the Accordance resource that would be the most useful between now and then? It's probably something I already own and haven't fully utilized. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Bennett Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 There are no imminent plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tebel Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 Moule's Idiom Book of New Testament is a classic and so well written that you can read it just before you go to bed. Moule was one of the great scholars of his generation and in my personal opinion his book is the place to start. It is not a book so focused on grammar that interpretive issues are set aside. Porter is a prominent scholar in his own right but I have found his books lacking the kind of lucidity one finds in Moule. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julia Falling Posted March 13, 2013 Author Share Posted March 13, 2013 Thanks, Raoul. I was hoping to avoid having to buy a physical book (that has to have shelf space and needs dusting!), but it looks like I'm going to have to do it. Thank you for taking the time to reply, and for the recommendation. Something I can read at the end of the day, that does not require a really fresh brain, is nice, too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Simpson Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 Hi Julie. it's not often I would go against anything James says, but I think I would this time. I don't specially like Porter's take on aspect. Yes it is worth reading, but I bought it, read it, and haven't opened it since. I wish I had bought Moule, I use that semi-regularly in the library. However, James is a far better scholar than I. So I would probably take his recommendation over mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anon Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 Just to be clear—both Porter and Moule are linguistically deficient in my view. The Greek student needs to read both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Simpson Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 Clear it is James. Thanks. I found Porter interesting but ultimately unsatisfying (and quirky I think). I guess what I am saying is that Moule "sat better" with me. It's been a few months since I used it, I have been focussing on Hebrew/Aramaic/Syriac. I'll head back to the Library and look at Moule again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anon Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 As Goethe said: "Wer fremde Sprachen nicht kennt, weiss nichts von seiner eigenen." 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julia Falling Posted March 14, 2013 Author Share Posted March 14, 2013 Yeah, right, but I don't know even a scrap of German. That's German, right? Could you give it to me in Greek or, even better, English? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Burgess Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 Essentially, "He who doesn't know foreign languages knows nothing of his own." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Simpson Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 (edited) According to a german intellectual polymath dilettante in grosse overstatement Edited March 14, 2013 by Ken Simpson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Λύχνις Δαν Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 Having just found something of use to me in Moule this evening I'm prompted to poke at this one again. Any news, good or ill on this one ? Thx D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Λύχνις Δαν Posted May 3, 2016 Share Posted May 3, 2016 Hi ya, This time I find myself looking for Porter, Idioms of the Greek New Testament. Any update on the possibility of getting this into Acc ? Thx D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwrobinson88 Posted May 3, 2016 Share Posted May 3, 2016 Although, not available in accordance, this just came out and looks to be the most up-to-date. http://www.amazon.com/Going-Deeper-New-Testament-Greek/dp/1433679086?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=od_aui_detailpages00 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Λύχνις Δαν Posted May 3, 2016 Share Posted May 3, 2016 Hi Ryan, This looks good but not quite what I'm looking for on idiom per se. Nonetheless it looks interesting. What's interesting is just how many books are now appearing on NT Greek. thx D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwrobinson88 Posted May 3, 2016 Share Posted May 3, 2016 Have you seen inside Porter's text? I have it. It just seems to be a grammar from my perspective. But maybe I'm missing something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Λύχνις Δαν Posted May 3, 2016 Share Posted May 3, 2016 Hmmmm.... ok interesting. No I am not familiar with the content. I am using another work which refers to it on a frequent basis and that's why I am interested. I do have a number of general intermediate grammars already. Thx D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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