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Posted 23 August 2012 - 08:32 AM

The new features of v.10 are making some of my older module purchases refreshingly interesting.


Chuck,

Thanks for voicing your observation on this. This is a fundamental element that is very much overlooked—namely, the nexus between content and manipulation. I was aware of this before I started to write code myself, which action is the main reason (or rebuttal) to why I never acquiesce to the premise, "They all [Bible Software] do the same thing, so it doesn't matter which one you use." Such a statement could only come from a culture who places more value on teleological outcome and not on phenomenological experience. Writing code is tantamount to writing a cogent essay—well done to the programmers of Accordance who have written a master piece (just so you know, I am a text and tool developer; thus, I am not praising myself here).

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 02:57 PM

Apple provided a free upgrade for Mountain Lion for those who bought their machines within I believe 2 months prior to releasing the New OSX. That's an awesome deal. Are you also able to serve the same kind of service to your brand new customers?


Absolutely! As Steve points out we are offering free upgrades for all customers who purchased Accordance 9 since May 1, 2012. You can find the information at the bottom of this page.

http://www.accordanc...rdance-Upgrades

We value new customers very much, and we hope you enjoy your free upgrade to Accordance 10!
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Posted 23 August 2012 - 03:47 PM

Accordance 10 is spectacular--I can't begin to list all of the exellent changes. Maybe it's because it's so awesome that just a couple of almost insignificant things stick out to me.

The drop shadow on the search criteria and the "Search All" selected item is a little heavy. For me, it makes it a little less readable. Also, the drop shadow on the search criteria appears inverted. It looks as if the light source is coming from underneath rather than from directly overhead.

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I'm still using Snow Leopard so I don't know if Apple has changed the UI in Lion or Mt. Lion, but personally, I think it would look cleaner using the text style Apple uses in the Formatting System Preferences.


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But that just my two cents. :-)

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 04:08 PM

Accordance 10 is spectacular--I can't begin to list all of the exellent changes. Maybe it's because it's so awesome that just a couple of almost insignificant things stick out to me.

The drop shadow on the search criteria and the "Search All" selected item is a little heavy. For me, it makes it a little less readable. Also, the drop shadow on the search criteria appears inverted. It looks as if the light source is coming from underneath rather than from directly overhead.

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I'm still using Snow Leopard so I don't know if Apple has changed the UI in Lion or Mt. Lion, but personally, I think it would look cleaner using the text style Apple uses in the Formatting System Preferences.


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But that just my two cents. :-)

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Good eye, you're correct that the shadow is a bit too dark on selected items within 'Search All'. The font is also a bit bolder than the standard font weight used within Finder. For the pill selections we are using the design found within Apple's Mail application.
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Posted 23 August 2012 - 05:07 PM

If you look under 'store' and upgrades on the website you will find the info you want.

If you bought Acc9 on or after 1 May 2012 there is a code to get a free upgrade to 10.


Thanks man, I didn't see that!

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 07:25 PM

Just wanted to also add that after a couple days of using Accordance 10 that I am quite pleased. I know there are some minor issues to work out, but I am confident the Accordance team is hard at it. Kudos to everyone at Accordance!

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Posted 24 August 2012 - 10:00 PM

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this already. But now that you've given us themes, I'd love to be able to save multiple custom themes. The built-in themes are okay, but I'd like to save more of my own.

You give and give, and we just want more. :D

Thanks again for the awesome update!

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Posted 24 August 2012 - 10:12 PM

Version 10 is fantastic. Special thanks go to the developers and programmers who put all the intuitive thought into the design. The customizable toolbar as well as the automatic adjusting of verses/words is unparalleled. I haven't noticed any speed lag either, even with the cover art and full names in the library. The maps icon and the instant details icon really outperform any other feature I've encountered on other platforms. While I'm at it, the 2 column instant details format, coupled with the ability to keep stationary below or on the side, or detached, provide enhanced flexibility. The highlight button is a major improvement. I need to mention that many may not realize they can create multiple highlight styles (with customized names) that will show up on the menu. Thanks for exceeding expectations again, Accordance!

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Posted 25 August 2012 - 03:52 AM

I don't know if Accordance does anything different in terms of core functionality, but I'm finding the UI changes make it so much easier to use. Thanks Accordance, I'm lovin' it.

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Posted 25 August 2012 - 11:18 AM

The more I use the new system, the more sense it is making. I guess I'm sometimes a slow adapter, but I'm growing fond of Accordance 10 quickly.
one surprise is how far the instant details box has come. It does so many cool things now, and does it better than ever. I appreciate the pop-up window alternative as well.
The web page is much easier to navigate, and the packages make way more sense than what used to be offered.

I know no one does it anymore, but any chance of a printed manual?

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Posted 25 August 2012 - 04:52 PM

Both version 9 and 10 went to a web based help. Version 10 is file:///Applications/Accordance.app/Contents/Resources/Accordance%20Help/Default.htm

Accordance had a manual, but that was many versions ago.
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Posted 25 August 2012 - 07:04 PM

Thank you!!!

v.10 My workflow has improved. Study is much more effective.
I was on beta, it worked for me from the start.
Accordance lets you focus on the text, when you 'wander away' to explore, your always can go back to where you began.
Great interface. Works great on a small screen.
Have some worries about the Windows version, surely another type of users will enter in. Mac users are dedicated.

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Posted 25 August 2012 - 09:52 PM

Mansfield, that's a sticker? How does this work? That is pretty sharp...

Version 10 sure looks like it is all that you all say it is. I am anxious to dive in and get it, but the patience God is trying to teach me will have to persist for now (first year seminary student). Christmas is a good idea for requests, I'll have to cross my fingers and hope that a retiree from my family will graciously forward me this lovely update. Geesh, I feel like that cartoon with the devil and the angel on my shoulders...;) Thanks accordance for your efforts in keeping this software first rate. I have abundantly benefited from it in my personal and school studies the little time that I have had it.
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Posted 03 September 2012 - 11:01 AM

I've been an Accordance user from the days it came out on floppies ... so long ago I can't actually remember the date. While I really do appreciate all the hard work put in by the Accordance people (well done to Helen et al), and they know of my steadfast support over the years, I do have some questions about Acc 10. I've paid for the upgrade — always happy to support the good folks at Acc — but after trying out 10 for a week or so, I've returned to Acc 9. So some comments from a real old-timer...

1. for me, the most important thing is actual text space. I'd love to see a user option for permanently disabling the new tool bar in preferences or something — I personally never use them since I prefer key combinations where possible and it takes up precious screen space (one of the first things I do with MS Word is disable the ribbon etc.)

2. Palettes. I imagine there was considerable discussion about whether to integrate everything into the one window (philosophically and ideologically appealing) or not at the initial redesign discussions. But in my view the integration of palettes into the main window was not a good idea—in practice they take up too much space and in the case of the resource palette, are obtrusive.

a. Instant details: Under the old scheme, I needed only one instant details box no matter how many workspaces I had open (and I usually start with at least five when I launch). Furthermore, I could customize the box size and location to optimize my viewing of the text. Now I can reduce the depth of the window, but no longer as shallow as I used to have it, and I can do nothing about the length or position. Again, it's taking up too much space. Is there some way to get it out of the workspace, and get some of those old customizing abilities back?

b. Resource: this is the deal breaker. The old version could be moved anywhere, which for me meant way off to the right and out of the way of my texts. Now when I open it, it takes up a relatively huge amount of my window space (and it resists any attempt to minimize it further) and, being on the left hand side of the window, shunts all my texts over to the right — I can avoid that by closing it, but that only makes the resource less resourceful — and requires more keystrokes. This does not strike me as the polite behaviour of a resource; it's the dominating behaviour that MS Word is so well known for. I can of course set it to overlay which preserves my texts but then it insists on obscuring my main search box and main search text which is even worse. The old version, far more compact and unobtrusive, also allowed me to use buttons with drop down menus. I've spent hundreds of hours building up a series of Quickkeys routines that would enable me to launch a range of new windows by one keystroke — all of which are now broken (and I've just embarked on a year long sabbatical to finish a commentary; I neither have the time, nor the emotional energy to redo them given that under the new system they'll be more complex). With Acc 10 now I have to click on the arrow, and then find my text. If I want to filter (to remove the unwanted recently opened) I can't have texts and modules open at the same time (have you recently hired someone from Microsoft ... [smiley face]?) Seriously though, is there any way to get the resources palette out of the workspace and over to the right and out of the way, and reduced in size from the massive two inches wide and full length of the workspace to the 3/4s inch and compact version it used to be? (I really don't need to have the recently opened list pushing down the rest of the list, so that now I have to scroll down — added work — before I can get to the stuff I really want?)

I think what I'm trying to say is, philosophically, details/resource do not belong in the main window. I.e. Accordance is about access to the text.. the tools are aids; keep them distinct.

Let me repeat however, that I am and always have been a great fan of and outspoken advocate for Acc (as the folks there well know). And I appreciate, as always, the great work you continue to do, and the tremendous amount of effort you've put into 10. So please hear the above as a (I admit, somewhat impassioned — but that's because I'm a buy-in from a long time ago) friendly call (plea?) for amendment.

Rikk Watts (Prof of NT, Regent College)

Edited by Rikk, 03 September 2012 - 11:06 AM.


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Posted 03 September 2012 - 11:37 AM

I've been an Accordance user from the days it came out on floppies ... so long ago I can't actually remember the date. While I really do appreciate all the hard work put in by the Accordance people (well done to Helen et al), and they know of my steadfast support over the years, I do have some questions about Acc 10. I've paid for the upgrade — always happy to support the good folks at Acc — but after trying out 10 for a week or so, I've returned to Acc 9. So some comments from a real old-timer...


1. for me, the most important thing is actual text space. I'd love to see a user option for permanently disabling the new tool bar in preferences or something — I personally never use them since I prefer key combinations where possible and it takes up precious screen space (one of the first things I do with MS Word is disable the ribbon etc.)


This was recently requested on another thread. I am not sure where it ranks on the level of precedence, but the more people request certain feature enhancements, the more attention it will get.

2. Palettes. I imagine there was considerable discussion about whether to integrate everything into the one window (philosophically and ideologically appealing) or not at the initial redesign discussions. But in my view the integration of palettes into the main window was not a good idea—in practice they take up too much space and in the case of the resource palette, are obtrusive.


a. Instant details: Under the old scheme, I needed only one instant details box no matter how many workspaces I had open (and I usually start with at least five when I launch). Furthermore, I could customize the box size and location to optimize my viewing of the text. Now I can reduce the depth of the window, but no longer as shallow as I used to have it, and I can do nothing about the length or position. Again, it's taking up too much space. Is there some way to get it out of the workspace, and get some of those old customizing abilities back?


I came to be a Mac user when the Palettes were fading out of use, along with the 'drawers', and at first I was a bit underwhelmed by Accordance's Palettes. However, what I realized is that I grew very fond of the Palettes, and like you, found that they could work to create some very attractive workspaces. So I can sense your affection for the Palettes. Nevertheless, there are a great many things about the current User Interface offers that I also like.

Yes, you can detach the Instant Details with the little square icon, and it will mimic the Palette behavior of v.9.

b. Resource: this is the deal breaker. The old version could be moved anywhere, which for me meant way off to the right and out of the way of my texts. Now when I open it, it takes up a relatively huge amount of my window space (and it resists any attempt to minimize it further) and, being on the left hand side of the window, shunts all my texts over to the right — I can avoid that by closing it, but that only makes the resource less resourceful — and requires more keystrokes. This does not strike me as the polite behaviour of a resource; it's the dominating behaviour that MS Word is so well known for. I can of course set it to overlay which preserves my texts but then it insists on obscuring my main search box and main search text which is even worse. The old version, far more compact and unobtrusive, also allowed me to use buttons with drop down menus. I've spent hundreds of hours building up a series of Quickkeys routines that would enable me to launch a range of new windows by one keystroke — all of which are now broken (and I've just embarked on a year long sabbatical to finish a commentary; I neither have the time, nor the emotional energy to redo them given that under the new system they'll be more complex). With Acc 10 now I have to click on the arrow, and then find my text. If I want to filter (to remove the unwanted recently opened) I can't have texts and modules open at the same time (have you recently hired someone from Microsoft ... [smiley face]?) Seriously though, is there any way to get the resources palette out of the workspace and over to the right and out of the way, and reduced in size from the massive two inches wide and full length of the workspace to the 3/4s inch and compact version it used to be? (I really don't need to have the recently opened list pushing down the rest of the list, so that now I have to scroll down — added work — before I can get to the stuff I really want?)

I think what I'm trying to say is, philosophically, details/resource do not belong in the main window. I.e. Accordance is about access to the text.. the tools are aids; keep them distinct.

Let me repeat however, that I am and always have been a great fan of and outspoken advocate for Acc (as the folks there well know). And I appreciate, as always, the great work you continue to do, and the tremendous amount of effort you've put into 10. So please hear the above as a (I admit, somewhat impassioned — but that's because I'm a buy-in from a long time ago) friendly call (plea?) for amendment.

Rikk Watts (Prof of NT, Regent College)


Perhaps some others can discuss the other comments.

Thanks for your loyalties to Accordance!

Edited by James Tucker, 03 September 2012 - 11:41 AM.


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Posted 03 September 2012 - 11:48 AM

1. for me, the most important thing is actual text space. I'd love to see a user option for permanently disabling the new tool bar in preferences or something — I personally never use them since I prefer key combinations where possible and it takes up precious screen space (one of the first things I do with MS Word is disable the ribbon etc.)


This one I can help with. To hide the main toolbar use the key command: "Option -> Command -> 0 (Zero)". Or are you looking for a preference that will hide the toolbar for each new workspace?
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Posted 03 September 2012 - 12:10 PM

Dear James and Scott... thanks for the instant replies : )

1. James... tks for the heads up on "details" ... just what the doc ordered...

2. Scott: yes I am aware... but it's a bit tiresome to have to do that for every window after every start-up, hence my request for a preferences option (cf. under Prefs\Appearance\tabs-zones\ check box "Always show Lib as pop-over" ) be nice to have under General, say, Amplify or Other... a check box for suppress Tool Bar.

3. one other thought.. how about an entirely new pref pane "Resources" : ) — we have one for instant details ? It's SUCH an important feature that the more customization (and the simpler it was) all the better. I know there's some limited flexibility using the gear wheel in the Lib window but (sorry) it's cumbersome. The benefit of having buttons with drop down menus is that it doesn't mess up the primary hierarchy structure. Once the menu item has been selected we revert to the original. Under the new system one has to continually click the little triangles. I suspect it's a matter of a perfectly understandable attempt to standardize overriding ease of use. I should know this, but does Acc have Beta testers? I don't want to intrude but as a very long user, I'd be happy to assist in whatever way I could...

again thanks to you both ... (I'm heading out for a bit... so prob won't respond for a while... ) blessings, Rikk

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Posted 03 September 2012 - 12:14 PM

2. Scott: yes I am aware... but it's a bit tiresome to have to do that for every window after every start-up, hence my request for a preferences option (cf. under Prefs\Appearance\tabs-zones\ check box "Always show Lib as pop-over" ) be nice to have under General, say, Amplify or Other... a check box for suppress Tool Bar.


OK, now I know what you were asking for. Seems reasonable.
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Posted 05 September 2012 - 09:07 AM

I have recently been called to a new church, and my Accordance use dropped off dramatically with all the changes. Ver. 10 is excellent in my opinion and has renewed my interest and belief that this is best Bible software available. Keep up the good work.
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 01:55 PM

I've been an Accordance user from the days it came out on floppies ... so long ago I can't actually remember the date. While I really do appreciate all the hard work put in by the Accordance people (well done to Helen et al), and they know of my steadfast support over the years, I do have some questions about Acc 10. I've paid for the upgrade — always happy to support the good folks at Acc — but after trying out 10 for a week or so, I've returned to Acc 9. So some comments from a real old-timer......

Let me repeat however, that I am and always have been a great fan of and outspoken advocate for Acc (as the folks there well know). And I appreciate, as always, the great work you continue to do, and the tremendous amount of effort you've put into 10. So please hear the above as a (I admit, somewhat impassioned — but that's because I'm a buy-in from a long time ago) friendly call (plea?) for amendment.

Rikk Watts (Prof of NT, Regent College)


Not sure how to respond to myself...so this will have to do... :)

But first off, thanks to Joel for his serious time investment this morning in explaining some of the new features and helping sort through alternative workflows ... my praise cannot be fulsome enough.

Most important, now happy to go ahead with new library (search feature is very good and the alternates are even faster than in 9) and let the old resource palette go (very helpful to hear why it created problems for others).

SO... all this to say.. well done again on Accordance 10 and yes I'm now migrating everything to the new version.

Keep up the excellent work... hearing about your thinking behind the new features made me realize just how much you take into account everyone's needs; even more an Accordance Evangelist — if that's possible (probably appropriate for a gospels scholar, no?)
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