Gedalya Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 Is there any thought of adding the possibility of searching by cantillation marks in the Hebrew text of HMT-W4? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Bennett Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 Is there any thought of adding the possibility of searching by cantillation marks in the Hebrew text of HMT-W4? It's already possible. See here in the Accordance Help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gedalya Posted March 11, 2014 Author Share Posted March 11, 2014 Rick The link doesn't work on windows. I did look up on accordance help though. Can you please give me an example of how to do the search on windows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Bennett Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 My apologies. In the Help Search Bar, type this: "Searches Using Symbols". That will take you to the specific article that addresses searching for symbols, which is how you can search for cantillation marks. Just enter a period before the symbol. If you need help entering the symbol, use the Character Palette (Window > Characters). Note, however, that I may have found a bug: when you enter just a cantillation mark the symbol itself does not appear in the search entry box (either Mac or Windows). But, if you run the search it works. I did a test search for all words with a rebia. I hope this helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timothy Jenney Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 Sorry, I seemed to have steered you wrong in the webinar today. I didn't even THINK of a simple character search. Here's how to do it: Set Accordance to Search for Word. Type a period (.), then use the Character Palette to select the cantillation mark [or any other single character] you'd like to find. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen Brown Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 And if you want to find a word with specific cantillation use @ to connect the word and the .+ expression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gedalya Posted March 11, 2014 Author Share Posted March 11, 2014 How do I bring up the keyboard palette? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gedalya Posted March 11, 2014 Author Share Posted March 11, 2014 How do I enter the cantillation symbols from the Israeli hebrew keyboard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Bennett Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 It's probably easiest to use our Character Palette for cantillation marks. Go to the Window drop down menu and select Characters (Alt + Ctrl + 4). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gedalya Posted March 11, 2014 Author Share Posted March 11, 2014 Rick, Thanks again. Excellent! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gedalya Posted March 11, 2014 Author Share Posted March 11, 2014 Rick, I did an etnachta search and although it is very small, the cantilation mark does appear under/adjacent to the period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gedalya Posted July 1, 2014 Author Share Posted July 1, 2014 לֶ֣קַח ט֭וֹב נָתַ֣תִּי לָכֶ֑ם How would I search for every case where these four cantillation marks (in the verse I cite above) appear? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Simpson Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 (edited) Hi Gordon, just enter each one with a period followed by the cantillation mark. Put in a space, then a period with cantillation mark etc so I did this .֣ .֖ .֣ .֑ (doesn't show up correctly when cut and pasted) and got this as a result וְיָצַ֣קְתָּ לּ֗וֹ אַרְבַּע֙ טַבְּעֹ֣ת זָהָ֔ב וְנָ֣תַתָּ֔ה עַ֖ל אַרְבַּ֣ע פַּעֲמֹתָ֑יו וּשְׁתֵּ֣י טַבָּעֹ֗ת עַל־צַלְעוֹ֙ הָֽאֶחָ֔ת וּשְׁתֵּי֙ טַבָּעֹ֔ת עַל־צַלְע֖וֹ הַשֵּׁנִֽית׃ וְאָ֣הַבְתָּ֔ אֵ֖ת יְהוָ֣ה אֱלֹהֶ֑יךָ בְּכָל־לְבָבְךָ֥ וּבְכָל־נַפְשְׁךָ֖ וּבְכָל־מְאֹדֶֽךָ׃ וְאָ֣הַבְתָּ֔ אֵ֖ת יְהוָ֣ה אֱלֹהֶ֑יךָ וְשָׁמַרְתָּ֣ מִשְׁמַרְתּ֗וֹ וְחֻקֹּתָ֧יו וּמִשְׁפָּטָ֛יו וּמִצְוֹתָ֖יו כָּל־הַיָּמִֽים׃ וַיֹּ֣אמֶר יְהוָ֖ה יְהוּדָ֣ה יַעֲלֶ֑ה הִנֵּ֛ה נָתַ֥תִּי אֶת־הָאָ֖רֶץ בְּיָדֽוֹ׃ וַיִּשְׁכַּ֤ב יְהוֹאָשׁ֙ עִם־אֲבֹתָ֔יו וַיִּקָּבֵר֙ בְּשֹׁ֣מְר֔וֹן עִ֖ם מַלְכֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵ֑ל וַיִּמְלֹ֛ךְ יָרָבְעָ֥ם בְּנ֖וֹ תַּחְתָּֽיו׃ פ אִם־אֶרְאֶ֣ה א֖וֹר כִּ֣י יָהֵ֑ל וְיָ֝רֵ֗חַ יָקָ֥ר הֹלֵֽךְ׃ בְּנֵ֣י שַׂלְמָ֗א בֵּ֥ית לֶ֙חֶם֙ וּנְט֣וֹפָתִ֔י עַטְר֖וֹת בֵּ֣ית יוֹאָ֑ב וַחֲצִ֥י הַמָּנַחְתִּ֖י הַצָּרְעִֽי׃ Given the restrictions of copying and pasting into the board.... they are Exod 25:12; Deut 6:5; 11:1; Judg 1:2; 2 Kgs 14:16; Job 31:26; 1 Chr 2:54 Here is a cap of my entry box Edited July 2, 2014 by Ken Simpson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gedalya Posted July 2, 2014 Author Share Posted July 2, 2014 Ken, I'm not getting any results when I do the search. "There are no verses in the current range of the HMT-W4 text that fit the current search" box comes up. In any event, I know that there are tons more results for such a search than the ones that you mention! hmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gedalya Posted July 2, 2014 Author Share Posted July 2, 2014 I just tried searching the first two symbols only. לֶ֣קַח ט֭וֹב the two symbols under these two words (just the symbols, not the words) The results came up with 66 hits but only from Psalms and Proverbs! Why?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen Brown Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Each "expression" is a separate search. If you separate them by spaces you are looking for a phrase with four words showing those marks in that order. To find any verse that has those characters in any order, separate each period/cantillation mark from the next with . I see that the same mark is repeated in your example, so some results have 3 words. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gedalya Posted July 2, 2014 Author Share Posted July 2, 2014 I am only getting results from Psalms Proverbs and Job but not the rest of the biblical text even though my range is set to all text.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gedalya Posted July 2, 2014 Author Share Posted July 2, 2014 Helen, Just figured out the reason I was not getting the desired results. There are two marks that look like the "munach" in the characters chart. I meant to write "tipcha" not munach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gedalya Posted July 2, 2014 Author Share Posted July 2, 2014 Helen, I think in your search, your first cantillation mark is a "munach" like in the word נָתַ֣תִּי not a "mercha" like in the word לֶ֣קַח Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gedalya Posted July 2, 2014 Author Share Posted July 2, 2014 Is there a way to restrict the search to these 4 cantillation marks only as in Gen 1:3 and only in this order? ( and not 3 or 2 of the cantillation marks) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gedalya Posted July 2, 2014 Author Share Posted July 2, 2014 Thanks to Helen for enlightening me on how to search for the cantillation marks in exact order. period, cantillation mark, space followed by period, cantillation mark, space etc to produce the phrase in the exact order Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gedalya Posted July 2, 2014 Author Share Posted July 2, 2014 Thanks to Ken. I had typed in the WRONG cantillation marks so was not getting the proper expected results Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gedalya Posted July 2, 2014 Author Share Posted July 2, 2014 On the Hebrew character chart, what is the difference between the dehi/tipha cantillation mark and the tiphah cantillation mark? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gedalya Posted July 2, 2014 Author Share Posted July 2, 2014 Ken, I just found that I can answer my own question by looking in the HELP file! \ The dehi/tipha is for searching in the poetic sections that's why I was only getting results from Psalms, Proverbs and not the entire Tanach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Simpson Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Yep - in the BHS guide, which you should have it says this... In the section on the disjunctive accents of the 21 books it says... אא֖א ṭip̄ḥāh Divides units between ʾaṯnaḥ and sillûq, when main division comes on first word preceding ʾaṯnaḥ or sillûq. If zāqēp̄ divides the unit,ṭip̄ḥāh divides units between zāqēp̄ and ʾaṯnaḥ or sillûq. One servus (mêrᵉḵâʾ) or none. אא֖א mâyᵉlāʾ (or mᵉʾayyᵉlāʾ) Variant of ṭip̄ḥāh. Marks secondary accent in words with sillûq or ʾaṯnaḥ. and in the section on the disjunctive accents of the 3 books (Job, Psalms, Proverbs) it says א֭אא dᵉḥı̂ (PREPOSITIVE) Divides unit ending with ʾaṯnaḥ. Up to three servi. Prepositive position differentiates it from ṭarḥāʾ. Is that what you were looking for in an explanation? So the mayela has to have a silluq or atnakh as well. The dehi only occurs in the poetic books, is prepositive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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